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Post by GFRESH2DEF on Nov 10, 2020 4:18:13 GMT
Thanks G. No one likes being friendzoned. I'm planning on getting an escort. Far be it for me, to stop you from purchasing an escort..but really dude? Do you really think, that's going to fix your problems with girls? If anything..it will prolong it. It's better to address it head on, and solve it now..than to keep letting this issue come back up, later on in your life..probably during an unfavorable time in your life, when you may have less time and energy to work on it. This is like an obese guy stuffing his face with cake, to make himself feel better about being fat! He'll eat himself into oblivion. But once he wakes up..guess what he'll still be..FAT!! In fact..he got worse. Because he probably gained a few extra pounds, after that cake eating binge that he just went on, before he went to sleep. He's up now, but he's still asleep in alot of ways. His self-improvement just took 2 steps backwards. And that will be you..if you stuff your problems with girls, with the cake (with the escort). You'll be putting a temporary band-aid on your problem..that will probably get re-infected again, once the band-aid comes off. You will still have your issues with girls, that you'll be running away from..using that escort to hide behind. Then once that escort is done with you..she will leave you, to go service her next paying customer..do you feel good about that? -G
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Post by siliconmagician on Nov 11, 2020 6:32:26 GMT
She wasn't worth the chase. Let me give OP one word of advice myself that took me awhile to learn and I have never forgotten once I did learn it. They are NEVER worth a "chase". Not a single damn one. No woman, no matter how beautiful, no matter how engaging, no matter what, is EVER worth chasing. Don't EVER "chase" a woman. I've often said that a man has one job when he meets a woman he is interested in: Identifying within the first 10-60 seconds if the woman finds him attractive or not and if not then gracefully saying "Well guys, it's been great talking to you but I have some friends to meet/things to do/etc." Don't waste your time chasing a woman ever. They are never worth it because the time you waste chasing a woman you have no shot with is time you could've spent enjoying approaching another woman. Women make instant snap judgements about a man almost the moment they meet. That first 30 seconds is what sets the groundwork for everything that comes after and your best bet is to learn the body language of a woman and figure out if she's even wanting to play the game before you begin to try and give it to her. Don't even think of it as a "chase". That is the worst mental state a man can begin with. You said "She has a lot of male friends". I've met a billion women like that and honestly, they are rarely worth the time. Most of the time it's about them playing the game on you. Here is another thing I can tell you. Roomies suck. They are cock blockers even unintentionally. While I get it in the modern world with expensive rents and crap it is difficult for a man below a certain means to build himself a pad where he lives alone and by his own code and rules, but doing so is a sign of high social value and proves you are good doing you. Take that advice as you will. I'm not saying "Run out, get your own place" but if you want "git gud" with the ladies, having your own pad is a serious plus. You say you are a funny guy and you make girls laugh. That is a serious plus, at least you aren't creeping them out. Are you touching them everytime you make them laugh? I don't mean groping, I mean a light tap or simply pressing your hand on their shoulder whenever they experience a "high" emotion and NEVER touching them when they experience a "low" emotion. I could go on for an entire essay on the ins and outs of how Kino works and its vital importance to escalation but I won't do it here. I may post something on my system separately. But learning socially acceptable touching, when and how to do it is CRITICAL to escalating to sex. It cannot happen without it. You have to learn to how to touch a woman properly, when and where to touch her. It's vital to escalation.
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Post by Lord Charm on Nov 11, 2020 7:47:55 GMT
You say you are a funny guy and you make girls laugh. That is a serious plus, at least you aren't creeping them out. Are you touching them everytime you make them laugh? I don't mean groping, I mean a light tap or simply pressing your hand on their shoulder whenever they experience a "high" emotion and NEVER touching them when they experience a "low" emotion. What do you mean by "high" and "low"? Positive and negative, or "with powerful impact" and "with weak impact"? Also, if any of you guys have NLP book recommendations, please post them here. I've read some NLP books in the past, and others related to body-language and psychology, and I really enjoy them (not for improving my "game", but just for my general knowledge). I like to find out how brain works in certain situations and why. Plus, being able to know what others think or feel just by their posture or gestures is (imo) a very useful and powerful skill to develop. Thanks in advance!
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Post by siliconmagician on Nov 11, 2020 17:47:07 GMT
First off, 90% of NLP theory is absolute BS invented to sell a product. You cannot "program" a person. You can influence them, but you cannot program them like a machine or hypnotize them or any other garbage like that. The idea behind NLP though does have some foundation in truth. The idea is that you want her to associate your touch with good feelings. Full stop. Where it gets complicated is in the execution. It takes practice and experience and many conversations with women in order to get it down but eventually it becomes so instinctual you won't even think about it. It just happens naturally. This is the true goal of PUA, to get away from the artificial theory and the constant thinking "A1 A2 A3 B1 B2" steps and meld it together into a natural game. But let's imagine a scenario. You are sitting at a bar with a woman. You have already introduced yourself, she's receptive to conversation with you and you are just beginning to try and establish some rapport. You rip off with a really good joke that she loves and gets to laughing. So while you are both laughing, you just casually reach out and touch her shoulder or knee. Only for a moment! Just a tap in the beginning. Longer as rapport becomes established. However, let's say the conversation takes a bad turn for a moment and she starts talking about a bad memory. Her dog dying, or daddy touched her or something. These are the times you don't touch her. If you currently have your arm around her or something, take it away during these moments. After a little while, it won't be long, she'll begin to associate your touch with positive feelings and then your touch will eventually induce positive emotions within her. This is the core theory behind NLP and this is the part that works. The rest is just fluff. This can be counter intuitive because a lot of guys will do the direct opposite. Not touch during high moments of laughter or during positive memories but then when the girl is recounting some sad, pitiful tale of her life, they reach out and touch her to "comfort" her. This is bad bad bad. She isn't a child who needs a hug everytime she sheds a tear and you don't want that associated with your touch.
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Post by Lord Charm on Nov 11, 2020 20:59:17 GMT
First off, 90% of NLP theory is absolute BS invented to sell a product. You cannot "program" a person. You can influence them, but you cannot program them like a machine or hypnotize them or any other garbage like that. The idea behind NLP though does have some foundation in truth. The idea is that you want her to associate your touch with good feelings. Full stop. Where it gets complicated is in the execution. It takes practice and experience and many conversations with women in order to get it down but eventually it becomes so instinctual you won't even think about it. It just happens naturally. This is the true goal of PUA, to get away from the artificial theory and the constant thinking "A1 A2 A3 B1 B2" steps and meld it together into a natural game. But let's imagine a scenario. You are sitting at a bar with a woman. You have already introduced yourself, she's receptive to conversation with you and you are just beginning to try and establish some rapport. You rip off with a really good joke that she loves and gets to laughing. So while you are both laughing, you just casually reach out and touch her shoulder or knee. Only for a moment! Just a tap in the beginning. Longer as rapport becomes established. However, let's say the conversation takes a bad turn for a moment and she starts talking about a bad memory. Her dog dying, or daddy touched her or something. These are the times you don't touch her. If you currently have your arm around her or something, take it away during these moments. After a little while, it won't be long, she'll begin to associate your touch with positive feelings and then your touch will eventually induce positive emotions within her. This is the core theory behind NLP and this is the part that works. The rest is just fluff. This can be counter intuitive because a lot of guys will do the direct opposite. Not touch during high moments of laughter or during positive memories but then when the girl is recounting some sad, pitiful tale of her life, they reach out and touch her to "comfort" her. This is bad bad bad. She isn't a child who needs a hug everytime she sheds a tear and you don't want that associated with your touch. Yes, I know that the image of "hypnosis" is exaggerated and it is not as we see in movies. My father actually has a degree in psychotherapy and I know a lot of things from him. A lot of books I've read were recommended by him. The goal is to be able to read some signals in many situations in life (job interviews, meetings with important people, etc.), not to manipulate women. Of course, as you said, I don't want to learn steps and use them (I actually hate being forced to memorize sth; I like to understand the process, and practice it until it gets better). Thanks for clarifying how to connect ONLY POSITIVE emotions with yourself, in the mind of a woman. I don't touch a girl when she is telling me a bad memory, and until now I thought it was a bad habit. What I usually do, actually, is to take her mind off that sad subject by using contextual jokes which come to my mind in that exact moment... Fortunately, it works Anyway, we are diverting from the topic. If you guys want, it would be a good idea to post titles of any book which helped you in any subject of life, in the "Related Areas & Misc" section. After all, everybody wants to become the best version of themselves, and books can be useful. At least until I am old enough to study them in a professional environment (I'm 18)
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ragnar
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Post by ragnar on Nov 11, 2020 22:26:57 GMT
Thanks Jackzero and Gfresh2def for the wonderful advice. It was really helpful Thanks G. No one likes being friendzoned. I'm planning on getting an escort. Far be it for me, to stop you from purchasing an escort..but really dude? Do you really think, that's going to fix your problems with girls? If anything..it will prolong it. It's better to address it head on, and solve it now..than to keep letting this issue come back up, later on in your life..probably during an unfavorable time in your life, when you may have less time and energy to work on it. This is like an obese guy stuffing his face with cake, to make himself feel better about being fat! He'll eat himself into oblivion. But once he wakes up..guess what he'll still be..FAT!! In fact..he got worse. Because he probably gained a few extra pounds, after that cake eating binge that he just went on, before he went to sleep. He's up now, but he's still asleep in alot of ways. His self-improvement just took 2 steps backwards. And that will be you..if you stuff your problems with girls, with the cake (with the escort). You'll be putting a temporary band-aid on your problem..that will probably get re-infected again, once the band-aid comes off. You will still have your issues with girls, that you'll be running away from..using that escort to hide behind. Then once that escort is done with you..she will leave you, to go service her next paying customer..do you feel good about that? -G I get your point. I am just trying to clear my mind. I like the girl, I wanted her in my life. I want to get her out of my head. There was a period in my life I faced my problem with girls head on. I read every PUA book I could get my hands on. I joined the previous forum( www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/) 2013 and followed the advice there. But I have a default setting that messes up my progress in picking up girl. I am an extremely nice guy. Getting girls is hard for me. That is why I hook up with escorts. I want to get her out of my head quick.
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Post by siliconmagician on Nov 11, 2020 23:47:35 GMT
If you are going to get an escort then do like Mystery did on a few occasions. Work out a deal with her that instead of an hour of sex, pay her for 2 or 3 hours to go out with you to a decent club and act as your wing woman. Set yourself up at a table and send her out to go find the singles and bring them back to you. Dress up to the full nines and head out and then tell her to be like:
"Excuse me, but my employer, Mr. Ragnar there at that table? Would like to know if you ladies are interested in joining him for a drink this evening? He's a really awesome guy, I think you guys would like him."
What do you think Jeff Epstein paid all that money to Ghislane Maxwell for? If she's hot and well put together It'll definitely pique some girls interest.
Treat the escort like your personal assistant. It'll give you social value through the roof. Once you succeed and have a group at your table, dismiss the escort and you are now a King.
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Post by ragnar on Nov 12, 2020 12:36:47 GMT
Let me give OP one word of advice myself that took me awhile to learn and I have never forgotten once I did learn it. They are NEVER worth a "chase". Not a single damn one. No woman, no matter how beautiful, no matter how engaging, no matter what, is EVER worth chasing. Don't EVER "chase" a woman. I've often said that a man has one job when he meets a woman he is interested in: Identifying within the first 10-60 seconds if the woman finds him attractive or not and if not then gracefully saying "Well guys, it's been great talking to you but I have some friends to meet/things to do/etc." Don't waste your time chasing a woman ever. They are never worth it because the time you waste chasing a woman you have no shot with is time you could've spent enjoying approaching another woman. Women make instant snap judgements about a man almost the moment they meet. That first 30 seconds is what sets the groundwork for everything that comes after and your best bet is to learn the body language of a woman and figure out if she's even wanting to play the game before you begin to try and give it to her. Don't even think of it as a "chase". That is the worst mental state a man can begin with. You said "She has a lot of male friends". I've met a billion women like that and honestly, they are rarely worth the time. Most of the time it's about them playing the game on you. Thanks for the advice, siliconmagician. I am 100001% with you on this. I don't even know whether my roommate is cock blocking me on purpose or unintentional. I was laid off during the pandemic so I don't have enough cash to rent alone. Bro, I was about asking how I can use my sense of humour to my advantage. Thanks for bringing it up. I don't touch them anytime I make them laugh. I really didn't think I could incorporate making them laugh and escalating. I think I am going to try it. I am going to work with my strength. I am a funny guy and I love talking. I have been studying 60 years of challenge material. 60yoc doesn't suite my personality. I will love to know more about how kino works. I will be looking out for your post on escalation. I will send you a PM later
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Post by Kartel on Nov 14, 2020 18:05:26 GMT
The Problem - She's wasting your time OP. She keeps coming over, but she won't ever put out.
The Solution - So put her on the side then (put her on the back burner, instead of her putting you on the back burner). And go find you another girl that will put out. That girl that will put out..put her on the front burner. And if you're familiar with "pre-selection"..the girl on the back burner, will realize that you are fucking another girl (You don't even have to tell her that you are, she'll already have a feeling that you are. Your indifferent behavior and attitude towards her, will tell her this..trust me on this one). And once she realizes that..girl on the back burner, may want to give it up to you now, all of a sudden. And Do Not Get Emotionally Attached, To Either One Of These Girls (do not get emotionally attached to either front burner girl, or back burner girl). A girl can and will leave you, whenever she feels like it (girls love to suddenly pull out the rug from underneath a guy's feet..especially if she thinks that she has him now)..which is why you don't ever want to get emotionally attached to them. So that if anyone of them ghosts on you, at any point in time..you won't even care. You'll just go find you another girl, no problem. And if you do everything that i said here..you'll be just fine. so true this! this piece of advice is gold!
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