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Post by maestro on Apr 26, 2024 22:48:48 GMT
I think it's important to understand that if a "targets" friends are there and you go direct her friends will try to cockblock you. That's why it's so important to get used to approaching the whole group and winning over her friends! Group Theory is a part of the game for a reason, so use it! Cheers.
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Post by G-host on Apr 27, 2024 9:17:06 GMT
Any tips and tricks to do that?
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Post by maestro on Apr 27, 2024 13:57:49 GMT
I've noticed even on videos online, girlfriends generally "cockblock". Tips and tricks, have an opener your going to use that night. Also, remain social. I've opened groups simply by lightly tooling a guy in a fun social way and the set opened up. It disarmed all the friends and guys and made my "target" laugh. So, I think it's best to expiriment as much as possible. Cheers.
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Post by JackZero on Apr 27, 2024 14:45:28 GMT
Here's what you should always understand when it comes to groups. You are the outsider. To approach a single girl in a group of people lacks decorum. Therefore, the members of the group aren't going to be welcoming unless the girl that you've approached signals, in some way, that she is welcoming this intrusion. The actual cockblock hardly ever happens unless you have given a reason for them to do so. The main reason that most guys get cockblocked is because of the fuckboy energy that most guys give off when they are bold enough to approach a girl in a group.
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Post by maestro on Apr 27, 2024 15:06:41 GMT
As you said, approaching a single girl in a group lacks decorum. That's why you talk to the friends(Guys and girls) and "neg" her lightly. I've tooled a guy in her group which coincidentally is a "neg" because she's the one haning out with him! Yes, you will not get cockblocked if you talk to the whole group and "neg" the target. Fuckboy energy, that's true. Your energy gets better as you practice. Cheers.
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Post by JackZero on Apr 28, 2024 0:44:05 GMT
As you said, approaching a single girl in a group lacks decorum. That's why you talk to the friends(Guys and girls) and "neg" her lightly. I've tooled a guy in her group which coincidentally is a "neg" because she's the one haning out with him! Yes, you will not get cockblocked if you talk to the whole group and "neg" the target. Fuckboy energy, that's true. Your energy gets better as you practice. Cheers. The reason I added to this was because this is something that there is a reason why cockblocking happens but not the primary reason why. Let's say this is the scenario: A girl is eyeing a guy while she is in a group. It is a waste of time to speak to the group when she is showing interest, especially if there are guys in the group. Out of all of the years that I've been doing this, I've learned the best thing to do is avoid approaching the group. Forcing IOI's is the easier and more targeted approach. It makes it easier for you to peel her away from the group or to get her to invite you over. Either way, it allows her to show interest in you. It also gives you her temperature level. As a bonus, it keeps you away from negs. Negs have a tendency to blow up in people's face because they are subjective. If you don't have a girl in the right place to accept them from you, then you will do yourself a disservice. Forcing IOI's is probably the most valuable tool for approaching and for whatever reason, it is overlooked by most men. You'll get much more women interested in you doing that than you will by getting accepted by the group. Getting accepted by the group normalizes you. Starting off in an attraction phase keeps you attractive before a group dynamic can water you down. |
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Post by G-host on Apr 28, 2024 0:54:05 GMT
As you said, approaching a single girl in a group lacks decorum. That's why you talk to the friends(Guys and girls) and "neg" her lightly. I've tooled a guy in her group which coincidentally is a "neg" because she's the one haning out with him! Yes, you will not get cockblocked if you talk to the whole group and "neg" the target. Fuckboy energy, that's true. Your energy gets better as you practice. Cheers. The reason I added to this was because this is something that there is a reason why cockblocking happens but not the primary reason why. Let's say this is the scenario: A girl is eyeing a guy while she is in a group. It is a waste of time to speak to the group when she is showing interest, especially if there are guys in the group. Out of all of the years that I've been doing this, I've learned the best thing to do is avoid approaching the group. Forcing IOI's is the easier and more targeted approach. It makes it easier for you to peel her away from the group or to get her to invite you over. Either way, it allows her to show interest in you. It also gives you her temperature level. As a bonus, it keeps you away from negs. Negs have a tendency to blow up in people's face because they are subjective. If you don't have a girl in the right place to accept them from you, then you will do yourself a disservice. Forcing IOI's is probably the most valuable tool for approaching and for whatever reason, it is overlooked by most men. You'll get much more women interested in you doing that than you will by getting accepted by the group. Getting accepted by the group normalizes you. Starting off in an attraction phase keeps you attractive before a group dynamic can water you down. Thats a refresing take on group dynamic, or how to "peel her of" off one. |
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Post by JackZero on Apr 28, 2024 1:23:46 GMT
The reason I added to this was because this is something that there is a reason why cockblocking happens but not the primary reason why. Let's say this is the scenario: A girl is eyeing a guy while she is in a group. It is a waste of time to speak to the group when she is showing interest, especially if there are guys in the group. Out of all of the years that I've been doing this, I've learned the best thing to do is avoid approaching the group. Forcing IOI's is the easier and more targeted approach. It makes it easier for you to peel her away from the group or to get her to invite you over. Either way, it allows her to show interest in you. It also gives you her temperature level. As a bonus, it keeps you away from negs. Negs have a tendency to blow up in people's face because they are subjective. If you don't have a girl in the right place to accept them from you, then you will do yourself a disservice. Forcing IOI's is probably the most valuable tool for approaching and for whatever reason, it is overlooked by most men. You'll get much more women interested in you doing that than you will by getting accepted by the group. Getting accepted by the group normalizes you. Starting off in an attraction phase keeps you attractive before a group dynamic can water you down. Thats a refresing take on group dynamic, or how to "peel her of" off one. Most of today's pickup is built off of protecting the ego from rejection of the girl. Pay attention to where everything is coming from. If it's a technique that diverts your path, you are less likely going to get the girl unless she is already attracted to you. This is why most pickup is useless. If most of you guys just approached, be likable on your approach, and just established attraction between you and a woman, you guys would be swimming in women. The problem is that most guys don't know what would make them attractive to a woman and instead look for other things to make themselves attractive. I'd bet you cash money that any girl that you get doing some routine is the same girl you would get if you could just be a normal guy that she knew found her attractive while you display your attractive qualities. |
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Post by maestro on Apr 28, 2024 12:28:54 GMT
This is true, you can go direct on the girl and sometimes it works. But, sometimes you have a "cockblocker", boyfriend, brother or someone looking to sleep with her. In that case you might have to take the time to talk to them a bit and then get back on track. Yes, a routine is one way to have something interesting to talk about, however if you have the right attitude you can practically swap out the routine for the right frame of mind.
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Post by JackZero on Apr 28, 2024 16:01:29 GMT
This is true, you can go direct on the girl and sometimes it works. But, sometimes you have a "cockblocker", boyfriend, brother or someone looking to sleep with her. In that case you might have to take the time to talk to them a bit and then get back on track. Yes, a routine is one way to have something interesting to talk about, however if you have the right attitude you can practically swap out the routine for the right frame of mind. This is exactly why forcing IOI's is more efficient. The boyfriend, brother or someone looking to sleep with her won't change their stance about you just because you approach the group. Approaching a group is the same thing as a cold approach. You must get the group to accept you. If the group accepts you, then you get to approach the girl and hopefully she doesn't reject you. Forcing IOI's is bypassing group acceptance. The girl is interested in you and therefore the group will accept you. The boyfriend, brother or someone looking to sleep with her will be bypassed because she wants your attention before you even make it to the group. If, for some reason, the group is hostile even if she wants you there, she will leave the group just to get to know you. |
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Post by maestro on Apr 28, 2024 16:47:43 GMT
Yes, I think if the girl seems interested and there's not alot of "cockblocking" going on then you can go direct.
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Post by JackZero on Apr 28, 2024 17:03:27 GMT
Yes, I think if the girl seems interested and there's not alot of "cockblocking" going on then you can go direct. No. The point isn't going direct or indirect or if she seems interested so you can go direct. It's about an optimal approach. Forcing an IOI creates the ability to do a warmer approach. This doesn't matter if she's in a group or not. However, if she is in a group it makes it so the group doesn't matter when it comes to anyone else in the group or their intentions to get in between you and the girl. She takes the option away from the group as opposed to you having to build your acceptance in the group. The gatekeepers to her don't matter because she's going to come out of the gate to meet you. |
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Post by G-host on Apr 28, 2024 17:19:02 GMT
Yes, I think if the girl seems interested and there's not alot of "cockblocking" going on then you can go direct. No. The point isn't going direct or indirect or if she seems interested so you can go direct. It's about an optimal approach. Forcing an IOI creates the ability to do a warmer approach. This doesn't matter if she's in a group or not. However, if she is in a group it makes it so the group doesn't matter when it comes to anyone else in the group or their intentions to get in between you and the girl. She takes the option away from the group as opposed to you having to build your acceptance in the group. The gatekeepers to her don't matter because she's going to come out of the gate to meet you. Im not sure about the part where you force an IOI.. you should go to her after you made eye contact for ex? Or create some more intereset before you approach her? |
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Post by JackZero on Apr 28, 2024 17:32:12 GMT
No. The point isn't going direct or indirect or if she seems interested so you can go direct. It's about an optimal approach. Forcing an IOI creates the ability to do a warmer approach. This doesn't matter if she's in a group or not. However, if she is in a group it makes it so the group doesn't matter when it comes to anyone else in the group or their intentions to get in between you and the girl. She takes the option away from the group as opposed to you having to build your acceptance in the group. The gatekeepers to her don't matter because she's going to come out of the gate to meet you. Im not sure about the part where you force an IOI.. you should go to her after you made eye contact for ex? Or create some more intereset before you approach her? The latter. You create some interest before you actually approach. Basically, doing something to cause her to give you an IOI. It can be something as simple as raising your glass and giving her a "cheers" motion. Then you watch for the IOI to happen. When it happens is when you can approach her. Instead of getting acceptance from that group on the approach, you can simply acknowledge them and approach the girl. She will already warm to the idea of you approaching and the moment you do there is already a flow to the interaction that no one could disrupt and make you look bad to her. |
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Post by G-host on Apr 28, 2024 17:34:47 GMT
Sounds exciting, got my blood pumping when i imagined this scen and it was time to go!
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