Czech mate!

[jesterofmalice]

I intend to carry on my journal from the old forum. This lay report would be in it, although i'm nott sure where to post the journal.
On the old forum, I posted it in the 'general questions' forum

Anyway, until then, this is one from last week:


OK, so last night I was out with my model good looking friend who I talked about in one of my recent FR'S - the T.L.D.R of that particular night was a girl approached me, I ran some game on her. It was going well. She offered to buy me a drink. All going exceedingly well and then my friend came over to say 'hi' to me, and instantly she was drooling over him and I went from fillet steak to chopped liver and the rest of the night was her desperately trying to seduce my mate



So, I was out with him again last night. Something always happens when i'm out with him. The dynamic always seems to change in various ways when I am with him in particular.



3/4 of the night aren't even worth writing much about. I had pretty bad Approach anxiety all night. And my mate never EVER approaches girls (they approach him), and so I guess it felt a bit more high pressure.



Throughout the night girls were trying to get his attention at the bar and on the dancefloor etc. Bumping into him. Brushing his arms etc.



Eventually I found my bollox and started making some approaches.



Group of girls: ''Hey girls, quick question for you!'' and went into some little opinion opener and all 3 girls were absolute cvnts! One was like ''We don't wanna talk to you'' and the other 2 just looked at me like a leper. I tried to keep it playful and be unaffected, and was like ''I love how friendly you all are! We should be best friends!'. One of them almost cracked a smile, but in general Like all 3 of them hated me. Not one friendly girl in the whole group. They weren't even amazingly hot or anything.



I open another girl who is with some friends and ask her what they are all celebrating. She looks at me like she's never spoken too a stranger before and like i'm super odd for talking to her, blinks a few times, and then literally walks away from me towards her friends as if she needs saving before I could even follow up with something



My State is dropping a bit here! lol



I open a girl on the dancefloor with a comment about her small feet or something, and she is mildy receptive and we speak a bit, but straight away she is asking me if I can introduce her to my friend and she's telling me how hot he is. I laugh and introduce them, but my friend isn't really talking and just smiles at her and carries on dancing (he isn't looking to get laid unless she is a legit 10). After a few minutes of her trying to grind against him with him not really playing along, she ejects never to be seen again.



At this point, I had almost given up for the night. I felt as though there were a few girls who were actually maybe giving me some IOI's, 'accidentally' bumping into me and stuff, but I didn't open. as my state had dropped a fair bit


So we carried on dancing by ourselves, drinking and chatting/laughing. It's getting slightly late now and this is where some girl grabs my friend and says ''She likes you!'' and points at some hot blonde Czech girl. I'd say an 8



Within a few minutes my friend is kissing this hot czech girl. We'll call her Marta. He NEVER does this. He must have thought she was rather hot. I'm talking to the girl who introduced them (average looking. Slim brunette. I've seen prettier. 6..5?) I'm just making small talk. I Went into a silly roleplay about my friend marrying her friend. Said i'd bring her as my +1 to the wedding. Got a little physical, and within 5 minutes we were kissing aswell  (she was a horrible kisser)



At this point my friend says he's going to the bathroom. He doesn't come back! The hot Czech girl (Marta) keeps asking me where he is, and i'm like ''You're never gonna see him again! Are you gonna cry?!!''. She laughs. The girl I was kissing disappears to dance and i'm now standing on the outskirts of the dancefloor with this HOT czech girl who liked me handsome mate!



I just start asking her about herself. I go into some little personal 'routine' which is a bit like a simple questions game. We are chatting and laughing. I make some comments about little things like her hair and her clothes and tease her for wearing her dressing gown in a club. I tell her to guess my age when she asks how old I am. PS - IT WAS (IS) MY BIRTHDAY WEEKEND! She guesses like 30 which is younger than I am, but I pretend that i'm younger and act mock offended. She was only like 20. I'm like ''Ok, go away. I don't care how sexy you are, i'm not gonna talk to you if you're gonna behave like this''. She cracks up laughing.



I start to wonder whether I actually have a shot here!



She starts asking me more and more questions and i'm leaning in a bit to talk in her ear and each time, i'm getting super close to her face. Our noses almost brush and she doesn't step back at all. IOI? Without an excuse, I put my hands on her hips and I carry on making small talk and stuff. Another of her young friends is behind me and she is kissing some dude who is well into his 30's/40's. Respect! However, the guy keeps banging into me since he's getting so into it with his girl. The girl notices and I make some joke about how he's basically fucking me. She cracks up laughing. I use this as a way to escalate the conversation and go into some sort of roleplay again as a way to sexualise AND heavy kino. A bit like JulienRSD ''What would you do if....'' thing. I'm grabbing her a lot now and she isn't stopping me at all. Again i'm talking to her when our noses nearly brush and I can almost FEEL her getting turned on. I tease her a few times and get close to kissing her.



I do my little escalation trick where as i'm standing, I kind of put my right foot on my left thigh so that my knee is sticking out, and I basically stimulate her pussy with my knee whilst i'm just talking and moving around, but it almost has plausible deniability because it's kind of subtle but it turns her on at the same time.



Eventually we just hold eye contact for a few seconds in silence and I go in for the kiss and she is into it. This giril CAN kiss, too, unlike her mate. It's nice. She gets more and more in too it. I'm the first to pull away each time, but it's fun and I go back a few times. Now i'm running my hands up and down her hips and ass and i'm kind of brushing her pussy hard with the outside of my hand.



I'm still in slight shock at this point and I think 'fuck it. Lets see if I can make this happen!''. I ask her where she lives. She tells me the area and I accuse her of being rich. She mentions her friends and tells me she can't see them anymore. I start to think 'Shit, this is where I lose her!! I know it!!''. I just say, ''you'll never seem them again. They've all gone back to Czech without you''. She laughs and whilst she laughs I grab her and say ''let's go!'' and march her out.



However, as we get to the door, she spots one of her friends. SHIT!! They aren't speaking English and i'm temporarily out in the cold here. I try to act non-needy and pretend to text someone. I feel as though I will definitely lose her here, but to my surprise, a few seconds later, she grabs me and we walk out towards the cab rank.



At this point it's not been stated where we are even going. We get to the cab rank, ask her for her address, and tell the cab driver to take us there. She says ''So you're just inviting yourself back to my place?!''. I'm like ''Yeah. I think it's for the best. But you've gotta promise to be cool!''. lol. She doesn't fight me. We get into the cab. Go back to her place. We kiss on the bed. I finger her. She gets a condom out of the draw and we have sex for the next 40 mins or so. It's hella fun.

Strange night and shows how anything can happen. I feel very lucky with the pull. My friend must have increased her buying temperature a hell pf a lot, and I kind of swooped in at the right time. I'm also gutted about the numerous instant rejections!  If I could only get better at the actual opening, I feel like my results could really improve a fair bit

[JackZero]

Jester...good to see you here. Look forward to seeing more reports from you.

[GFRESH2DEF]

Mar 6, 2018 23:03:31 GMT jesterofmalice said:

Strange night and shows how anything can happen. I feel very lucky with the pull. My friend must have increased her buying temperature a hell pf a lot, and I kind of swooped in at the right time. I'm also gutted about the numerous instant rejections!  If I could only get better at the actual opening, I feel like my results could really improve a fair bit

Not quite lucky, i'll give you about 80% credit for the pull, and your good looking friend about 20% of the credit. I like how you led the frame and the escalation with the HB8 Czech Chick at the end of the night..even you maintaining your cool when she went back to her friends for a second, was all you!



Some guys just have it like that don't they? I'm referring to your friend who had all the girls trying to escalate on him all night long, and basically ignored you and gave you shit whenever you tried to get their attention. The hardest thing to do is to maintain a very positive state when your boy is getting all the girls' attention all night long, and you can't seem to get none of that for yourself. So i give you credit for that too (you holding your state). Trust me on this..the same thing happened to me a couple months ago, when my boy Jeff was killing it all night at the club. I was standing alone at the wall of the dance floor like a fucking wall flower, in a negative state..just watching him and another one of my wingmen/good friend, both of them dancing with a girl. I even had to watch Jeff jump into a Lyft with the chick that he was dancing with earlier, for the pull. I dapped him up just seconds before he got into the Lyft car with her, and i went home alone. You can probably imagine how i felt that entire night. Believe me..that shit did hurt, ALOT! So that was a very bad night for me..but it was very revealing for me though, and i learned some very valuable lessons from it. Now the good news is..i did pull the 2nd hottest chick that i ever banged from the game, just 2 weeks later after that very bad night that i had. So never give in or give up, just because you're having a dry spell or you're struggling in the field. Because it will happen to you every now and then. But you will also get the girl every now and then too.



What basically happened in your lay report is when your friend left you and the HB8 Czech Chick alone, you basically now became the AMOG (Alpha Male Of the Group or Alpha Male Other Guy). And the buying temperature that he built up in her, transferred over to you. If i was you..i wouldn't change a thing whenever you go out with your good looking friend who always attracts all of the girls at the bars & clubs that yal go to. Keep on letting him do that. And whenever he leaves you alone with the chick, you just pick up where he left off with her..Verbally & Physically Escalate (just like you did with the HB8 Czech Chick)>>Be Self Amused & Non-Needy At The Same Time>>Build Comfort by Leading Her>>Pull Her Back To The Crib>>Do A Takeaway/Freeze Out (to take care of the LMR Bullshit)>>Sexually Escalate & Close The Deal..Boom!!!!! Done!!



Rinse & Repeat this process over and over whenever you are out with him, and you will start racking up lays like a mutherfucker.



Now he may catch on to what you are doing eventually, but until then..just use him to get you your lays for now.



See most guys won't do that because their egos will get in the way. A dialog will constantly play in their heads like; "Fuck These Bitches!..They Always Choose Him Over Me, Because He's Way Better Looking Than Me!"..not even realizing that by becoming the AMOG by default (because he's not interested in any of those girls, and he leaves them alone with you), they can use this dis-advantage into their advantage. Guys also want full credit for getting their own lays. They don't want to have to admit to themselves that they basically got a full stomach off of some other guy's leftovers. Who gives a shit if all of those girls were interested in him first..just as long as they are fucking you at the end of the night. In the grand scheme of things, will you actually complain about getting some other guy's leftovers after you become the one who's fucking those girls??..probably not! Let's just keep it real guys. LOL



-G

[jesterofmalice]

Mar 7, 2018 12:43:43 GMT GFRESH2DEF said:

Mar 6, 2018 23:03:31 GMT jesterofmalice said:

Strange night and shows how anything can happen. I feel very lucky with the pull. My friend must have increased her buying temperature a hell pf a lot, and I kind of swooped in at the right time. I'm also gutted about the numerous instant rejections!  If I could only get better at the actual opening, I feel like my results could really improve a fair bit

Not quite lucky, i'll give you about 80% credit for the pull, and your good looking friend about 20% of the credit. I like how you led the frame and the escalation with the HB8 Czech Chick at the end of the night..even you maintaining your cool when she went back to her friends for a second, was all you!



Some guys just have it like that don't they? I'm referring to your friend who had all the girls trying to escalate on him all night long, and basically ignored you and gave you shit whenever you tried to get their attention. The hardest thing to do is to maintain a very positive state when your boy is getting all the girls' attention all night long, and you can't seem to get none of that for yourself. So i give you credit for that too (you holding your state). Trust me on this..the same thing happened to me a couple months ago, when my boy Jeff was killing it all night at the club. I was standing alone at the wall of the dance floor like a fucking wall flower, in a negative state..just watching him and another one of my wingmen/good friend, both of them dancing with a girl. I even had to watch Jeff jump into a Lyft with the chick that he was dancing with earlier, for the pull. I dapped him up just seconds before he got into the Lyft car with her, and i went home alone. You can probably imagine how i felt that entire night. Believe me..that shit did hurt, ALOT! So that was a very bad night for me..but it was very revealing for me though, and i learned some very valuable lessons from it. Now the good news is..i did pull the 2nd hottest chick that i ever banged from the game, just 2 weeks later after that very bad night that i had. So never give in or give up, just because you're having a dry spell or you're struggling in the field. Because it will happen to you every now and then. But you will also get the girl every now and then too.



What basically happened in your lay report is when your friend left you and the HB8 Czech Chick alone, you basically now became the AMOG (Alpha Male Of the Group or Alpha Male Other Guy). And the buying temperature that he built up in her, transferred over to you. If i was you..i wouldn't change a thing whenever you go out with your good looking friend who always attracts all of the girls at the bars & clubs that yal go to. Keep on letting him do that. And whenever he leaves you alone with the chick, you just pick up where he left off with her..Verbally & Physically Escalate (just like you did with the HB8 Czech Chick)>>Be Self Amused & Non-Needy At The Same Time>>Build Comfort by Leading Her>>Pull Her Back To The Crib>>Do A Takeaway/Freeze Out (to take care of the LMR Bullshit)>>Sexually Escalate & Close The Deal..Boom!!!!! Done!!



Rinse & Repeat this process over and over whenever you are out with him, and you will start racking up lays like a mutherfucker.



Now he may catch on to what you are doing eventually, but until then..just use him to get you your lays for now.



See most guys won't do that because their egos will get in the way. A dialog will constantly play in their heads like; "Fuck These Bitches!..They Always Choose Him Over Me, Because He's Way Better Looking Than Me!"..not even realizing that by becoming the AMOG by default (because he's not interested in any of those girls, and he leaves them alone with you), they can use this dis-advantage into their advantage. Guys also want full credit for getting their own lays. They don't want to have to admit to themselves that they basically got a full stomach off of some other guy's leftovers. Who gives a shit if all of those girls were interested in him first..just as long as they are fucking you at the end of the night. In the grand scheme of things, will you actually complain about getting some other guy's leftovers after you become the one who's fucking those girls??..probably not! Let's just keep it real guys. LOL



-G

Cheers.
Yeah, well for him, that is how every single night has been for him since he was 18 lol. Girls throw themselves at him every single night without him saying a single word.
I've got some great stories (well...they're actually HIS stories, that I witnessed!) from back when he played the field. A charmed life indeed!!

And yeah, it sucks in a way to be around it. You'd think i'd be used to it by now! 

I don't actually go out with him that much AND he very rarely even flirts/makes out with girls who are trying to seduce him, so I do't think I can really 'rely' on truning his good looks into any sort of 'system' if truth be known, although i'll still bare it in mind for when i'm out with him next! lol

In regards to him 'catching on to what i'm doing' that would never be an issue. We are very good friends of like 2 decades. He's had more pussy than Jack Niicholson lol. He's happy for me. He laughed and patted me on the back when he found out I banged the Czech girl. He's got a hb8.5 girlfriend who he 'loves' and this is the first girl he's never properly cheated on, and unless some absolute Worldie tried to bang him, I doubt he ever would

My biggest issue to this day (after a good 16 months of gaming 1-2 time per week) is opening. Not just in terms of AA, but in terms of NOT getting the 'you have something in your teeth. Go away!'' look from a girl who then basically refuses to talk and i'm unable to turn it around or she ejects or whatever. Despite my many approaches, i'm still in somewhat of an 'experimentation phase' in terms of trying out different kinds of openers. Compliments. Opinion openers. Stating random observations. Introducing yourself etc etc, along with experimenting with sub comms, so smiling, not smiling, over the shoulder, square on, facial expressions etc etc

Without that slice of luck with the Czech girl, it would have been a more depressing and more typical night of fast rejections!

I'd LOVE to try my hand at gaming girls in the US where people are apparently much more open to talking to strangers. It would maybe help me confirm whether it's something i'm doing wrong, or whether it's just the way it is here and it's to be expected.

[GFRESH2DEF]

Mar 8, 2018 13:02:01 GMT jesterofmalice said:

I'd LOVE to try my hand at gaming girls in the US where people are apparently much more open to talking to strangers. It would maybe help me confirm whether it's something i'm doing wrong, or whether it's just the way it is here and it's to be expected.

No dude. I don't think that it will be any easier for you to game over here in the US..as girls here in the US have more abundance in their lives than ever before. They have options..after options..after options. This is why i find it harder to get a girl out on a day-2 nowadays. Most of my lays nowadays..comes from either same day or same night lays. And that's only because from time to time..i can cut through all of the girl's distractions around her, if i pump up her buying temperature (with verbal & physical escalation) high enough, that she is willing to drop all of her other options to go home with me, and fuck me on the same day or night that i just met her. I know how to pump a girl's buying temp like that. But some guys don't know how to do that. A guy that i know who started pickup around the same time that i did, doesn't know how to rapidly escalate on a girl and pump up her buying temperature. And he never gets laid. The one time that he did officially get laid was because he had help from me, and the girl wasn't even hot. She was about a 6.8 . Even the girls who aren't that hot, have alot of options now too.



And with the advent of so many social media platforms..where girls get so much validation (not just only from guys, but from everyone) on a daily basis, makes it even harder for you to get their attention online (let alone gaming them online). So if you know how to rapidly escalate and pump a girl's buying temperature sky high..i find that to be a lifesaver when it comes to still being able to hack the system and still get lays from hot chicks in this day & age, where girls have so many more options than ever before.



From last year to now..i noticed a significant dip in responses (let alone results) that i used to get from dating sites. I used to kill it on OKCupid. Now nothing. Dating sites nowadays seem to cater way more in the favor of women than they do to men.



Feminism is prevalent here in the US too, and it is glorified and highly encouraged. Giving women a sense of entitlement, and an upper hand on men when it comes to social dynamics. And of course if you've been watching the news recently..there's the #Metoo thing. So if guys have been afraid to approach and openly hit on women in public, they definitely will have more reluctance to do it now. Unless they are powerful men with alot of money, they shouldn't worry too much about the #Metoo thing affecting them. Those women just wanted a quick and easy pay check from powerful men who they knew had alot of money. Lol But it still may give new guys who want to come into the game cause to pause, and yet another excuse for not approaching.



So solid game is highly required now more than ever before, if you are to be a successful gamer in the US. Now i know that i'm probably making it sound alot more doom & gloom than it actually is, and some guys probably aren't affected by any of this at all. But these are real factors that ought to be taken into consideration..and could affect your results as a gamer in the US if you don't have solid game.



I'm going to assume that you are from Europe, but i don't know which country in Europe that you live in?



-G

[jesterofmalice]

I live in England. And not even in London where I can at least rely on tourist girls to whom, striking up a conversation tends to be more normal and expected, and even wanted in some instances.
In stereotypical terms, we are more known for not talking to strangers as opposed to other parts of Europe like Italy or Norway or Spain for example.
I actually have been to the US a few times before but I was too young to game, although I do vividly remember noticing the difference with which strangers spoke too each other. Little things like in the US, it seems that if you approach a girl and say ''Hi, i'm mark'' it seems they'll be likely to smile back, and then introduce themselves out of sheer social programming. In the UK, this would almost never happen. You'd say "Hi, i'm mark" and they'd be completely baffled as to why you are telling them this and would be unlikely to smile and then introduce themselves back, lol

Alas.

Anyway, you've piqued my curiosity in terms of how you spike buying temp in girls and rapidly escalate (verbally and physically)
In for tips!!

Also, how do you tend to open girls in bars etc? Do you have any sort of method in terms of direct/indirect/canned convo starters etc?

[GFRESH2DEF]

Spiking up a girl's buying temperature doesn't always have to be rapid. Buying temperature can be spiked over a long period of time too. There were a couple of girls in the past that flaked on me, but after weeks and maybe even months of me random texting them (my random text were gradually spiking up their buying temps)..i was able to get them back on the hook, and i finally was able to set up a meet-up with those girls for the full close. You won't be able to fuck all girls on the same day or night that you meet them. For some of them..you will have to draw out the escalation process over a period of days, weeks, months, or even years (usually because you and the girl's logistics are in conflict with each other).



As far as tips on rapid verbal & physical escalation goes..you already did it with the HB8 Czech Chick in your lay report. Just do a similar process to all of your future girls, that you did to get the HB8 Czech Chick into bed with you. Whatever you said verbally and did physically to get her to start liking you..to then getting turned on by you..to then making her feel comfortable enough to leave the club with you to go back to her place..that's basically rapid verbal & physical escalation in a nutshell. If you want details on how i do it..just read some of my field reports & lay reports from the old forum. I also have a method for daygame escalation too (http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/field-reports/self-improvement-blog-vt201629-15.html). It's on page 2 in that link. It's a 10 step process that i underlined titled "Sexual Escalation Process - From Approach To Lay" in that thread. For how i do it in nightgame..just read some of my field & lay reports that took place at a bar or at a club that i was at.  I detail my escalation process in depth in those reports.



As far as routines or canned-lines go, i don't really have any for you bro. I kinda just improvise on the spot depending on the situation presented to me when i approach the girl. I don't think too much about what to say before i go in. What's more important to me is letting my sexual intent being clearly conveyed to the girl that i'm talking to. For nightgame (approaching girls at bars & clubs) i would probably go direct on the open, or if i do go indirect i'll quickly go direct almost immediately after that. I basically go the indirect-direct route for daygame as well.



The only routine canned-line that i use, is for when i do casino game. And that is when i say "Is this the game to play?" or "Is this the best game to play?" on the open. And i do this because, almost every girl that i approach at the casino is playing a slot machine game, so i basically use a line about the game that she is playing. That line is very general and covers all the slot machines games. So i can use it on any girl playing any of the slot machine games at the casino. It usually gets a conversation started every time. I consider casino game as nightgame too, because most casinos typically have a bar in them as well.



-G

[curtis72]

Full marks for the title, I lol'd, haven't even read yet. Where abouts are you roughly - I'm in the UK too? Not after your street address kek

[N2thevoid]

This is great. Welcome back Jester✊🏼