Tinder Math

[K527]

Introduction

Tinder! I love it, I hope you do too - if not, it's not my goddamn business.

Statistcs and Excel spreadsheets! I love them too, I don't know if because I'm in Economics or because I'm a nerd - I don't care too much.

Tinder Statistics! Might be lame, might be great, I need it for myself to see what works and what not - I hope you guys find it useful too.

Two years ago I got relatively lucky there - 405 matches in 6 months, some good replies to the main opener I used ("My mom thinks you're wife material. What should I tell her?"), but less then 10 lays. A shitty conversion rate and a poor return on investment.

Now I got back to it, and I'm forcing some science into it. I'll post my results here, and hopefully find some useful pattern to follow. Feel free to share opinions, tips, opener or techniques. If you only want to say "boo online dating is for losers" I'll appreciate that too and remember about it when I'll fuck the brain out from the next Tinder Date.

Disclaimer: I borrowed the opners from around the internet, I still have to develop "mine". I started on 9th December 2019, the numbers are too low right now to make some meaningful percentages, I'll update this thread in time.

Openers used

General guidelines in mind: Communicate emotions, easy to answer, creative or funny

1) Does this means we're exlusive? (followed by a funny couple gif, like hamster eating)
Reply rate: 100%
Date rate: 0%

Lay rate: 0%

2)(Cute puppy GIF) Hey [girl's name], better Monday after-work adventure: Netflix binges, hot yoga class or aggressive happy hour-ing?
Reply rate: 50%
Date rate: 100%
Lay rate: 0%

3) (to use with girls with animals in profile pictures) Wow...those eyes...that fur. How long have you been together? Is it/are they jealous of newcomers?
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

4) Dark chocolate, turtle cheesecake, or Cherry Garcia? If you had to choose…
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

5) Your Sunday breakfast personality is __? A) Waffles & pancakes, slowly savored. B) Apple & granola bar on the run. C) Still drinking from Saturday night. D) Sleeping until lunch.
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

6) (to use with girls with skying/mountains in profile pictures)I see we both like mountains. Are you more the girl making the black diamonds look easy or the bunny slope look hard? (No judgment either way)
Reply rate: not available
Date rate: not available
Lay rate: not available

7) You’ve just won a free trip to anywhere in the world! (Not from me, it’s coming in the mail.) The catch is you have to leave tomorrow. Where are you headed?
Reply rate: 0%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

8) You declare a three-day weekend. Are you heading for the mountains, the beach, or some ancient ruins?
Reply rate: 100%
Date rate:
Lay rate: 0%

9) You seem interesting, but you haven't wrote anything about you! So tell me, when's the last time you did something spontaneous or adventurous?
Reply rate: 33%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

10) Biggest fear: spiders, darkness, or saying "you too" when the waiter tells you to enjoy your meal?
Reply rate: 0%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

11) Situational opener based of specific characteristics of girl's bio

Reply rate: 67%
Date rate: 25%
Lay rate: 0%

Profile in use

Bio: 6ft2" + tattoos (girls like tall boys, I like girls with tattoos) - Love interesting people, quirks, red wine, travelling to a new country every years, good books, unusal sports and weird adventures. I like talking about all the things you're not supposed to discuss in polite company - (flags of the languages I somehow speak)
Main picture: full face, smiling, color
Other pictures:

• Half body, drinking coffee, black and white
• Half body, with female friends in a pub, color
  
• Face and shoulders, selfie in a sharp suit (I'm a business consultant)
  
• Body shot at Halloween party, dressed as a Gay Silver Pirate, with a girl's hand on my chest
  
• Full body shot, medieval armor (I'm a reenactor and full contact medieval fighter) with two guys helping me setting the armor
  
  

[chef89]

Use Bumble, girls start talking to you there. I find Tinder a bit dead tbh.

Anyway, I have lots of dates myself from these apps. Think I can genuinly say I am good at that. However, the real life dates is where I am mediocre.

How do you handle the meetup? What do you do?

[K527]

Dec 21, 2019 15:33:28 GMT chef89 said:

Use Bumble, girls start talking to you there. I find Tinder a bit dead tbh.

Anyway, I have lots of dates myself from these apps. Think I can genuinly say I am good at that. However, the real life dates is where I am mediocre.

How do you handle the meetup? What do you do?

Thank you for the tip, never heard of Bumble, I'll check that too!

Regarding the "real life" meetup after a Tinder Match I follow the same rules as "normal" dating. After I DHV, I test her if she's "up to my standards", if she tries to then she's interested. When I think the conversation is on and she's interested, a stop replying for half a day, followed up by "Hey, I didn't seen the message, I'm not on Tinder much. Write me at [phone number] it's much easier" (I use this since I saw 2-3 girls using it on me, always learn from girls).

By phone, after a brief chat, I tell them that I'll be in X place around X hour because I have something to do/ passing by and they might join/I need a female opinion.

After that, it's regular comfort building as usual.

Yesterday I had a nice meetup with a blondie (I'll write about that tomorrow) but in the meantime you can check another Tinder date I had in the "Journals" section, look for my thread "Tinder Dates"

[chef89]

Dec 21, 2019 15:57:59 GMT K527 said:

Dec 21, 2019 15:33:28 GMT chef89 said:

Use Bumble, girls start talking to you there. I find Tinder a bit dead tbh.

Anyway, I have lots of dates myself from these apps. Think I can genuinly say I am good at that. However, the real life dates is where I am mediocre.

How do you handle the meetup? What do you do?

Thank you for the tip, never heard of Bumble, I'll check that too!

Regarding the "real life" meetup after a Tinder Match I follow the same rules as "normal" dating. After I DHV, I test her if she's "up to my standards", if she tries to then she's interested. When I think the conversation is on and she's interested, a stop replying for half a day, followed up by "Hey, I didn't seen the message, I'm not on Tinder much. Write me at [phone number] it's much easier" (I use this since I saw 2-3 girls using it on me, always learn from girls).

By phone, after a brief chat, I tell them that I'll be in X place around X hour because I have something to do/ passing by and they might join/I need a female opinion.

After that, it's regular comfort building as usual.

Yesterday I had a nice meetup with a blondie (I'll write about that tomorrow) but in the meantime you can check another Tinder date I had in the "Journals" section, look for my thread "Tinder Dates"

Do you go on alot of dates before ending up between her legs? And does that happen often?

[K527]

Dec 21, 2019 18:48:43 GMT chef89 said:

Dec 21, 2019 15:57:59 GMT K527 said:

Thank you for the tip, never heard of Bumble, I'll check that too!

Regarding the "real life" meetup after a Tinder Match I follow the same rules as "normal" dating. After I DHV, I test her if she's "up to my standards", if she tries to then she's interested. When I think the conversation is on and she's interested, a stop replying for half a day, followed up by "Hey, I didn't seen the message, I'm not on Tinder much. Write me at [phone number] it's much easier" (I use this since I saw 2-3 girls using it on me, always learn from girls).

By phone, after a brief chat, I tell them that I'll be in X place around X hour because I have something to do/ passing by and they might join/I need a female opinion.

After that, it's regular comfort building as usual.

Yesterday I had a nice meetup with a blondie (I'll write about that tomorrow) but in the meantime you can check another Tinder date I had in the "Journals" section, look for my thread "Tinder Dates"

Do you go on alot of dates before ending up between her legs? And does that happen often?

I have to say "I don't know". When I used to game in 2017 I usually managed to lay Tinder girls in 3 dates, usually 2, sometimes on the same day I met them. The standard date management was to give myself 7-10 hours with them total: if I wanted to lay them at around 2am, I organized evening+night out in my mind with 5-6 bounces or a date on one evening (light, calm and non-threatening) to build up comfort and then a 2nd date starting after dinner with a path through locations where I could easily take her to my place (or go to hers). I used to give the assumption that if you're on Tinder you wanna get laid and get laid soon, so I tried to act relatively quickly.

Regarding current times...well, I got into a relationship at beginning of 2018 and we broke up last month, so I'm forcing myself back to gaming in these days. This girl was the first I had a date with, and all my pick-up skills are very rusty right now

[K527]

Monthly Update - January 2020

The main structure of the chart remains the same

Opener #6 due to non-usage has been changed

Openers used
General guidelines in mind: Communicate emotions, easy to answer, creative or funny

1) Does this means we're exlusive? (followed by a funny couple gif, like hamster eating)
Reply rate: 100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

2)(Cute puppy GIF) Hey [girl's name], better Monday after-work adventure: Netflix binges, hot yoga class or aggressive happy hour-ing?
Reply rate: 50%
Date rate: 100%
Lay rate: 0%

3) (to use with girls with animals in profile pictures) Wow...those eyes...that fur. How long have you been together? Is it/are they jealous of newcomers?
Reply rate:50%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

4) Dark chocolate, turtle cheesecake, or Cherry Garcia? If you had to choose…
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

5) Your Sunday breakfast personality is __? A) Waffles & pancakes, slowly savored. B) Apple & granola bar on the run. C) Still drinking from Saturday night. D) Sleeping until lunch.
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

6) So [girlsname], do you prefer cute lies or a-bit-too-honest truths?
Reply rate: 67%
Date rate: 50%
Lay rate: not available

7) You’ve just won a free trip to anywhere in the world! (Not from me, it’s coming in the mail.) The catch is you have to leave tomorrow. Where are you headed?
Reply rate: 0%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

8) You declare a three-day weekend. Are you heading for the mountains, the beach, or some ancient ruins?
Reply rate: 67%
Date rate:
Lay rate: 0%

9) You seem interesting, but you haven't wrote anything about you! So tell me, when's the last time you did something spontaneous or adventurous?
Reply rate: 20%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

10) Biggest fear: spiders, darkness, or saying "you too" when the waiter tells you to enjoy your meal?
Reply rate: 0%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

11) Situational opener based of specific characteristics of girl's bio
Reply rate: 59%
Date rate: 20%
Lay rate: 0%


Profile in use

Bio: 6ft2" + tattoos (girls like tall boys, I like girls with tattoos) - Love interesting people, quirks, red wine, travelling to a new country every years, good books, unusal sports and weird adventures. I like talking about all the things you're not supposed to discuss in polite company - (flags of the languages I somehow speak)
Main picture: full face, smiling, color
Other pictures:

Half body, drinking coffee, black and white
Half body, with female friends in a pub, color
Face and shoulders, selfie in a sharp suit (I'm a business consultant)
Body shot at Halloween party, dressed as a Gay Silver Pirate, with a girl's hand on my chest
Full body shot, medieval armor (I'm a reenactor and full contact medieval fighter) with two guys helping me setting the armor

[K527]

Monthly Update - February 2020

 - Disappeared for a while due to all the Coronavirus psychosis in my country (Italy) that laid waste on most of my dates: a nice bunch of american students in Florence all hurried back to the US on the first plane.

 - Opener #1 due to non-usage has been changed into the "Ice Opener", developed by Ice White from the RSD/GameGlobal community. Given the fact that is the main topic of his recent publication (The Message Game: A Guide to Dating at the Touch of a Button) I will refrain to write it down and instead suggest to find the book on Amazon, it contains some really interesting stuff.

 - After a few occasions, I've added to the statistc the item "Opener by girl", when she starts the conversation.

Openers used
General guidelines in mind: Communicate emotions, easy to answer, creative or funny. Aim to meet the girl and move out of Tinder ASAP.

1) Ice Opener #1
Reply rate: 46%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

2)(Cute puppy GIF) Hey [girl's name], better Monday after-work adventure: Netflix binges, hot yoga class or aggressive happy hour-ing?
Reply rate: 33%
Date rate: 100%
Lay rate: 0%

3) (to use with girls with animals in profile pictures) Wow...those eyes...that fur. How long have you been together? Is it/are they jealous of newcomers?
Reply rate:50%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

4) Dark chocolate, turtle cheesecake, or Cherry Garcia? If you had to choose…
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

5) Your Sunday breakfast personality is __? A) Waffles & pancakes, slowly savored. B) Apple & granola bar on the run. C) Still drinking from Saturday night. D) Sleeping until lunch.
Reply rate:100%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

6) So [girlsname], do you prefer cute lies or a-bit-too-honest truths?
Reply rate: 50%
Date rate: 50%
Lay rate: 0%

7) You’ve just won a free trip to anywhere in the world! (Not from me, it’s coming in the mail.) The catch is you have to leave tomorrow. Where are you headed?
Reply rate: 0%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: N.A.

8) You declare a three-day weekend. Are you heading for the mountains, the beach, or some ancient ruins?
Reply rate: 67%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

9) Tell me, when's the last time you did something spontaneous or adventurous?
Reply rate: 20%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: 0%

10) Biggest fear: spiders, darkness, or saying "you too" when the waiter tells you to enjoy your meal?
Reply rate: 0%
Date rate: 0%
Lay rate: N.A.

11) (Situational opener based of specific characteristics of girl's bio)
Reply rate: 59%
Date rate: 20%

Lay rate: 6%

12) (Girl opened)

Reply rate: 59%
Date rate: 20%
Lay rate: 0%

Profile in use

Bio: 6ft2" + tattoos (girls like tall boys, I like girls with tattoos) - Love interesting people, quirks, red wine, travelling to a new country every years, good books, unusal sports and weird adventures. I like talking about all the things you're not supposed to discuss in polite company - (flags of the languages I somehow speak)
Main picture: full face, smiling, color
Other pictures:

Half body, drinking coffee, black and white
Half body, with female friends in a pub, color
Face and shoulders, selfie in a sharp suit (I'm a business consultant)
Body shot at Halloween party, dressed as a Gay Silver Pirate, with a girl's hand on my chest
Full body shot, medieval armor (I'm a reenactor and full contact medieval fighter) with two guys helping me setting the armor