My problem with conversations ;)

[The.White.Officer]

Hi all bad boys! 


Today, I would like to ask you for some advice. I've gotten quite good at talking to girls, my conversations can last for hours, and we always have a great time.


Unfortunately, I think my conversations are too "good" and often fall into the friend zone.



I'm afraid the reason is this:



"Good Conversation" -- "Good Guy" -- "Good Friend"

((By good conversation I mean a polite one.)) 


-- So what can I do to fix this problem? Using more NEGs, starting a KINO escalation early? How soon do you recommend starting kino?



-- Also, I would like to ask about easy NEGs, nothing too bad, I still don't feel confident enough to throw bad or too direct NEGs.
   Thanks as always, friends. I'm having an amazing trip and will update you on my latest adventures in the coming days.

[JackZero]

Are the conversations good because you are interesting or are they good because of how flirtatious you are with her? Regardless, hours of conversation isn't usually a thing that you want to happen because you are giving away your mystique early on. IMO, she should be thinking "I think he's interested in me but how much?" Long conversations makes that question less important and if you aren't flirting it'll be less seductive.

I'd recommend staying away from negs because they can be hit or miss and when they miss they can be taken as insults. Flirtatious teasing will work out better most of the time, so you should go that route instead of negs.

As for touching...start as early as possible. Personally, I think that you specifically have the ability to show off because I'm betting your job allows for you to take incredible pictures from places that you see almost every day. Have those on your phone, sit really close (legs or hips touching), and show her pictures of interesting stuff. That contact that you have right there will give you everything you need to escalate further.

[Wacker]

Be touchy. For sure! For example. I met this girl a while back at this small art event. There were paintings and small earrings and stuff. I started chatting with this girl at a painting. Laid my hand on her upper back inbetween her shoulders and said hey lets check this out. I grabbed her hand and pulled it for maybe like 1 and a half steps and let go to get her to follow me but also let her know that im going over there with or without her. (she followed. But if she didnt. I would had still committed to going over there. I just would meet up with her at another painting) she did follow me. It was custom earrings. So i picked one off the table. Held it up to her ear and brushed her hair over her left ear.

Me. "Hmmm. I dont know about this earing. We should find somthing a bit longer to show off that neck of yours.?"

Now, this interaction i did i get her number. But i was mainly using her to boost my own self value in another girls eyes at that art event. Whom i dated for a couple months to follow. Thats why being touchy is so valuable. Not only does it make the girl you are touching more comfortable with you. Other people see it. And its boosts your value in the room.

Easy way to be touch is a hand shake(hold it for just a second longer than you would normally so you both feel that little bit of tension). If she has nails. Pick up her hand in yours and look at them/feel her hand. Not for too long or this is when all touching can come off as creepy. If you have somthing to say about them. Like," oh. You know my sister gave me black nails once but i hated them. I kept losing sight of then in my jeans. They would just disappear". This allows you more time to keep her hand in yours. Having a story or somthing allows you more time to hold her hand. If she tries to pull away from you being touchy. Stop being touchy for a bit. If you were to keep holding her hand. U are officially in the creep category.

If shes wearing a nice shirt. Feel the collar of it or her sleeve for a couple seconds. Its so easy to be touchy . Just read her vibe so you know she is not being creeped out.

[The.White.Officer]

Thanks brothers for the replies.

I will try to put your advice into practice.

- Short, low-questions conversations, like a conversation with someone you've known for a long time.
- Physical contact immediately, tomorrow I will put it into practice.
- I'll make a folder of photographs of the destinations I've visited, maybe I could put pictures of myself and some girls/groups I've gone out with around the world.

Do you think I should be a little more mysterious, perhaps only telling a few things. In general I will try to be very inspiring for her in the next few days.

If she decides not to go with me I will go with my "reserve girl". Follow me on IG and you'll see that I'm having fun with or without her.

How does the plan look to you?

[JackZero]

I'd say to be relaxed. You do want to make sure that you are having physical contact, but everything else will not matter as long as she enjoys her company with you. If you can do that and be your natural self at the same time, you'll be fine. Just don't overthink it.