Do you know a natural?

[tiger]

I'm not a natural.
Always been shy and seeking discomfort by talking to girls never was my thing. Luckily for me things changed after highschool (if you want them to change!).

But not everyone is the same. A friend of mine can easily approach random beautiful women, and he'll get their number. He doesn't even know what a PUA is, and yet... he's good at it. (He's not perfect though: he kind of freezes when he truly likes someone)

Once I asked him how does he do that. How can he be so good at it. He answered "I guess it's just experience. The more you do it, and the more you'll see ways to succeed". I've learned (and still learning) a lot from him. 

The way a natural talks to girls, the way he texts them and the way he makes clear without saying out loud "I want you." is just different. 

Learning from someone far superior is possible though. Everybody can learn. 


And you? How did you know a friend/acquaintance of yours was a natural?  

[nyceboi]

I know a natural, this friend of mine he gets girls often and he has to do nothing, he says “is in the blood”
poor explanation but he does not know why or how he does it.
there was a post in the old forum this is the post and there is the original creator.
Is a good post but I believe this guys is a natural and all his logics of course shade out some doubts and questions, I just don’t think that even if we apply all this, we would have the same success he has.. 
my advise is just to keep practicing and we can get better at this stuff and remember the race of a man does not mean is yours or my race we all run our own race.
Hope you enjoy the post.





Post by Keith Rogers » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:51 am

Hello everyone. I am what everyone would call a natural and there is no one that I personally know who is as good at it as me. I am 5'7, 150 lbs, average looking. So what I am doing here? Well one of my friends reads pick up books and made me aware of this community. I have been reading stuff for a month or so and decided to post my methods and philosophy about women.

I will compare and contrast some ideas and criticize others. This is not to bash or glorify any line of thought but more to reflect on what I know personally and from other natural friends. I will discuss some myths and some rules i follow too. You might see some stuff that's not discussed in mainstream dating or Pua. Ok here we go...


Myth no.1 : Hot women are difficult and average ones are easy. Not true at all. Some of the 10s I banged were the easiest. I have been rejected by butt ugly and average chicks but accepted by superhot ones. How easy a woman is has nothing to do with her anatomy but more to do with her personal beliefs, environment and upbringing.

Myth no.2: Nice guys don't get laid a lot. Biggest bull ever. I don't know who or what started this myth. Perhaps its go to do with that fact that people always focus on what jerks/assholes/loud mouths are doing and ignore everything else. Reality is when that hot chick started dating the jerk he acted like a nice dude. After 2 months he started showing his true colors.

There is no way to tell simply by looking at a guy whether he gets laid or not. Some of the best I know are very average and u would never guess. Nice guy naturals just fly under the radar and dont raise any red flags. Thats what makes them dangerous. If u saw me talking to your girlfriend, you wouldn't think much of it. Also i know many guys who consider themselves 'nice' but don't know they come off as creepy. I doesn't matter what u think in ur mind, its important how the woman perceives you.


Myth 3: You have to be honest all the time. In my opinion, if u wanna get laid with tonnes of women u have to lie/embellish truth upto an extent. Obviously this doesnt work if u are looking for a relationship, but just to get laid? Who cares what u say. No average guy has the lifestyle/resources to interest lot of women so u have to make some stuff up. Its just that your stories need to be grounded that's all. Like if u play an instrument, you can say u used to be in a local band. Everything in life is a racket so don't feel like oh thats not me.

Ok now onto to my rules of pickup:

1. Shut your mouth. Now this might seem weird especially when so many men are learning how to talk to girls. Yes u must be able to say a few things here and there but in my experience nothing makes the women run away more than you running your mouth. Ask a question or two, give some info on yourself but thats just 10%. 90% let the woman talk.

2. Dont cold approach: Its too much of a numbers game. You will get shot down a lot and too big of a hit on the ego/energy. Neither me or any natural friends cold approach. Let the DTF girls come to you. And come they will in droves if u know what to do.

My suggestions are do some activity and make it look like fun. Going to a regular bar or club and just standing around like an idiot with drinks is the worst u can do. I am good at pool. Me and my buddies go to places where they have pool tables and fuseball and we just play and have fun. DTF chicks will come ask if they can play with us shortly. Another natural buddy is a dancer. Another one sings kareoke and chicks go to him. And no he is not a good singer if u r wondering. Another natural hosts parties with sexual themes. You get the idea.

3. Less is more: Too much texting/calls most always will lead to a flake. Doesnt matter if u r not desperate or being funny. Keep it very minimum. Also keep in mind that after you set up a meeting don't contact her the day of the meeting. This might cause her to reply 'OH, sorry something came up'. Women are very flaky even in non-dating situations so never chase her. If a girl has to respond to you by saying 'Sorry, blah blah..' means you have chased too much.

I feel most people who think they are not chasing don't realize they r still chasing. We only say sorry when we can't deliver something promised. So what do I do? I text them the day before and set up the meeting time and place but don't text the next day. The girl will eventually text 2 hours before meeting time 'We are still on for tonight correct'? And then I reply " Sorry! Of course, I am getting ready to head out soon". Whos chasing who here??

If the girl never texts you, it means she woulda flaked anyways. also if u must text the same day, use the word CONFIRM. Like 'Hi, confirming for 8 PM tonight'. U will see flaky ones wont confirm. This will save u a lot of frustration and anxiety.

4. Keep her in suspense: I think this is a big mistake most people make. When you set up a meeting most guys go " u know xxx, awesome place. They have mechanical bull and hookah. U should come". Guys think if they describe something awesome the girl will be more likely to come out. Whereas she goes "that sounds awesome! But in her mind she thinks meh I hate hookah and ends up flaking. No matter what u think u can offer a hot girl probably has a better offer from someone. So what to do? appeal to her desires and psychology. when a girl asks me where we will be going I just reply " Let it be a surprise!" .

Side note: PUA covers this well. Never go on dinner date and some crap like that. If you are comfortable u can even invite her straight to your place. But remember most women will give high resistance to that and if r not smooth, it will backfire.

Once a woman meets up with u, escalate physically quickly. Don't be afraid or hide your desires. If she gives resistance or says somethings making her uncomfortable, just slow it down a little bit. As long as she is enjoying the whole thing, u have nothing to worry about. But its highly important that you make her horny. Once she is turned on, she will be ready to bounce back to your or her place. You only need to say "I have this wine/weed/beer back at my home". Always keep some pot in your place reserved if u r into that. I have never gotten a NO from a stoner chick when I ask if she wants to smoke at my place.

Also when inviting a girl back just say something like "One of my roomates might be in another room but she will be asleep so no problem". This is to make her feel safe knowing there might be another girl within earshot. Of course u may not have any roommates at all but like i described earlier this is just a lay and not your wife and she would forgot everything u said the next day anyways.

This brings me to my final point. You cannot rack up a lot of lays with logic and reason. You have to bullshit to cut corners and escalate the process may times. If a girl asks seems like she is questioning your intentions or details just ignore it or change the subject. Usually they forget what or why they asked something. Most often a girl doesnt even know why she rejected you or was hesitant. If an average guy sees me pull girls and how fast I do things he will simply say 'I dont know why she is letting him do this, he is a pervert'. Recently I met a girl at an event and had a boyfriend but still was down to hook up. This was daytime like 2 PM and we were far from our home. But she was horny so we had to find a cozy place, ended up going to a nearby movie theater and started fooling around in the balcony upstairs. Often women buy me dinners and stuff after we have had sex as to show her appreciation. This is the kind of success you will start to see once you get good at it. As one joke goes "Studies show 60% of women like One night stands". My question is " Where are they?"

[JackZero]

The whole natural debate is weird to me. Most guys that I know that are "naturals" or gurus that advertise themselves as such have a buffer of being attractive. A good looking guy has leeway when it comes to attracting women when he freezes up, says something silly, or does something stupid. Show me a natural that is unattractive to average looking and then we would be able to have a real conversation over it. The guy that knows how to talk to women and knows exactly what he's doing will always get the girl over the natural if the rest of the playing field is equal.

[nyceboi]

I agree my friend which is a natural I have seen him getting needy or anxious and lose the girl,there has been numerous times which we are hanging out and my female friends go and pick me up to go and and kick it  and he always say “you are learning from me” honestly I have not learned anything from him
like I said on the other post I’m not racing his race I’m racing my own and we all can get good with women 
if we really want to.
so yes there are a lot of guys that seems to have an easy way with girls but even them can’t get them all.
we all have the same chances 

[undecided]

I agree with alot of what was said in this thread other than let them come to you. If you are not exceptionally good looking females will not come to you very often. I used to go bars with a very good looking guy and the amount of girls that would approach him would make you jealous, and i'm not talking about any old girls, some were very attractive. I guess he was one of those guys that you would call a natural but the thing was - due to his great looks he didn't have to do much at all. Good looks bring about other PuA attributes naturally. Due to his looks, he knew girls liked him, having that knowledge gave him confidence. Now if you are bad looking obviously you don't have as much looks to attract females but you also don't have as much confidence knowing that you will be rejected more often than others.

Good looking people put in way less effort to bed a female and have way more opportunity therefore they get labelled as naturals and people perceive that they are doing something that gets them their success. Reality is that the female is already attracted to them, all they have to do is have a conversation and not behave like a idiot - they don't have any magic bullets that they are firing - they have a mssive advantage over us average.

[nyceboi]

Mar 4, 2019 4:10:01 GMT undecided said:

I agree with alot of what was said in this thread other than let them come to you. If you are not exceptionally good looking females will not come to you very often. I used to go bars with a very good looking guy and the amount of girls that would approach him would make you jealous, and i'm not talking about any old girls, some were very attractive. I guess he was one of those guys that you would call a natural but the thing was - due to his great looks he didn't have to do much at all. Good looks bring about other PuA attributes naturally. Due to his looks, he knew girls liked him, having that knowledge gave him confidence. Now if you are bad looking obviously you don't have as much looks to attract females but you also don't have as much confidence knowing that you will be rejected more often than others.

Good looking people put in way less effort to bed a female and have way more opportunity therefore they get labelled as naturals and people perceive that they are doing something that gets them their success. Reality is that the female is already attracted to them, all they have to do is have a conversation and not behave like a idiot - they don't have any magic bullets that they are firing - they have a mssive advantage over us average.

Yes I agree good looking men will always have an advantage but not all is lost for the rest of us lol!
first of all the ladies approach your friend because he is confident/attractive (not good looking)
yes he is good looking so that gives him enourmous confidence, us instead we had to build it.
so yes he is a natural confident man therefore he projects trust and confidence.
remember the way we behave is related to the atraction we project..
So since we are not good looking is up to us to build confidence and behavior.
Create mind sets and excercise regularly anything that makes you feel good go for it.

[N2thevoid]

Do anything that makes you feel sexy and attracted to YOURSELF. Women will follow.

[undecided]

Mar 6, 2019 2:05:52 GMT nyceboi said:

Mar 4, 2019 4:10:01 GMT undecided said:

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So since we are not good looking is up to us to build confidence and behavior.
Create mind sets and excercise regularly anything that makes you feel good go for it.


Yes but how do you do that ? Other than visualization techniques how does a average joe create a ultra confident persona that attracts others ? Not saying it cant be done - just wondering what are peoples suggestions.

[GFRESH2DEF]

Even if you're a guy who doesn't naturally have good looks..you can still improve in that area, in other ways (ie..healthier diet..lifting weights..cardio..better style and fashion..and good hygiene), to get you better results with women. These are still things that are within your control to improve upon, in regards to looks.



-G

[Heywood Jablowme]

We are all 'Naturals'. To attract the opposite sex is the most 'natural' thing the planet has to offer. To reproduce is why we are here. The fear of the opposite sex is drilled into us somewhere along the line. If we were left to our own desires as we grew like turd tossing monkeys, we'd just be fucking when we'er horny, and eating when we'er hungry.

Learning how to be good with women, is unlearning the fear of them. The natural is in every male. You just have to not be afraid.

It fucking amazes me the power a 105 pound 5 foot nuttin girl can hold over a 6 foot 2, 230 pound man. They only have that power, because we gave it to them.

HONEY!! What the fuck is in this RUM??