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Post by svabos on May 28, 2019 8:48:15 GMT
So I've met one girl on salsa party few months ago. We had nice time, lot of laugh and dance and she really turns me on. But she doesn't live near and comes only on that particular salsa party that holds in my town once a month and sometimes come as tourist in my city but rarely... That night she went home and we texted each other with teasing flirting msgs in days to come. After about a month, there was another party and she came, we hang out and danced and had pleasant time but she teased and run away from me, not letting me take her out alone on in a dark corner. The sexual tension was high but she just doesn't want to give in. So she went home and we haven't texted that month at all. So another month passed, another party came, she came, we met there, danced, had fun. She teased me a lot, showing her thigh like where she got hit and repeat showing it every time I asked her to see it again. I tried again to take her on lonely place in the club, and she obeyed but there when I tried to corner her she mingled and escaped laughing. She really enjoys teasing me, calling me "dandy", redirecting talk about sexual topics. I used SOI on her and she just laughs, enjoying all that affection she gets from great looking guy. But then she runs away again home... Next day she teased me via msgs and talk was teasing and flirty... I can see that she enjoys her self but she is putting so much LMR in it. She does have a boyfriend with whom she doesn't live and have long distance relationship. Also I've told her that I'm interested only in fun and she seams very ok with that...
so how do I break her defense and have sex with her? She obviously finds me very attractive and thinks about it...
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Post by pilgrimmeister on May 28, 2019 9:15:09 GMT
Go cold on her for a while and don't give her the attention that she craves. She has you on puppet strings.
Turn the tables on her and hold your frame.
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Post by svabos on May 28, 2019 11:14:24 GMT
I did that last time, after second party... but the problem is how to pull her to my place as she only comes on parties here and always come with girlfriends and they all go back together by same car. Only idea I have is to bring friends who doesn't dance salsa and to tray to isolate her and keep them all here whole night... like invite them on after party... I've invited her to come one weekend alone so that we can have alone time and she liked idea but just seams that she likes more teasing me than engage in sex... bcause she knows everything we can have is just sex (great sex, but never the less, just sex...)
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Post by pilgrimmeister on May 28, 2019 11:31:24 GMT
I would invite the whole group of girls back for a party at yours. Demonstrate that you can run rings round the whole group and keep them all engaged as the only guy. If you get it right, it's then easier to isolate the target upstairs while their friends are in the vicinity.
But I wouldn't be chasing her at that point, she would have to be doing the chasing and laying it on a plate for me to give her the time of day, but we're all different.
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Post by JackZero on May 28, 2019 14:33:14 GMT
Tell her to stay the night the next time she comes out because you want to go do something with her the next day.
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Post by svabos on May 29, 2019 7:42:05 GMT
Tell her to stay the night the next time she comes out because you want to go do something with her the next day. Problem is that she comes with her friends who rely on her car so if she stays, they have to stay... But the thing that bothers me more is she calling me a "dandy". I went on a date yesterday with another girl and she said I was cocky. After contemplating on both situations I've realized that both meant the same - that I'm overly bloated guy who doesn't give to much shit how everything will turn out because I'm obviously prone to have that kind of interaction with women and that attitude causes them to react in a bitchy mode cause they would love to deflate me way more that to use me as being served. But I'm just being honest: I don't want them in long term relationship and they seam offended by that So that's a real problem: women really love to be in charge and I don't know how to react on that, to give them feeling of being in charge without loosing my power by giving them that satisfaction, especially because from past experience I've noticed that if I do give them power, they lose interest like immediately and I get a "nice guy" label and become friend zoned... Because I don't like games, I always display "take it or leave it" attitude where they always choose the dare "ok, I'll leave it (because I have pussy, I know that you'll come begging for it cause you just showed that you like me)" and if I take on their bluff and reject them then we are always left with that stupid "whf just happened, we were so close and now we have nothing" feeling which is especially felt when we stumble upon each other in some party and they act like we don't know each other although we had really intimate moments in seduction phase but never the less they act overly closed, trying not to have eye contact although they do everything just to be in my vicinity. Like the other day on party, one such girl passed by me few times, like she didn't notice me and when I greeted her she stopped and acted out that "oh I haven't noticed you. well, hello!" bitchy attitude which radiated "hah! you see that you really wanted me in the first place you fu*ker, now I have my victory and you won't get my pussy!". I've turned off her again and left. I'ts always like that... always And problem is that my hunting ground started to get populated by that kind of women and it starts to bother me
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Post by GFRESH2DEF on May 29, 2019 10:32:13 GMT
Like the other day on party, one such girl passed by me few times, like she didn't notice me and when I greeted her she stopped and acted out that "oh I haven't noticed you. well, hello!" bitchy attitude which radiated "hah! you see that you really wanted me in the first place you fu*ker, now I have my victory and you won't get my pussy!". I've turned off her again and left. I'ts always like that... always And problem is that my hunting ground started to get populated by that kind of women and it starts to bother me This is why i have multiple venues that i go to game at, so when i have nights like these (these nights where every interaction with different girls seem to go nowhere)..i can just leave that place, and go to another spot. Some people call it bar hopping, but in my case..i bar hop to a different venue, to start fresh at another venue. From the one before, that seemed like i wasn't getting anywhere with any of the girls there. Also too..if you've ever talked to these girls that frequent these bars and clubs..have you ever noticed that they seem to know everybody there, "even by name"? They know the bartenders, the waitresses, the cocktail girl, the manager, the dj, and even the bouncers and security guys..BY NAME! And if you frequent that venue too (the same as these girls who practically knows everyone at that venue..by name)..you think that they don't know who you are?..that you're the guy who comes there to pickup girls? Of course they know who you are, and what you do! I'm aware that they probably already know about me, what i do, and why i'm there (i still don't let that stop me, from approaching other girls there). So that could be the issue too Svabos..that these girls who are the regulars there, they already know what you are about. And they will probably even warn their girl friends about you, not to engage with you (or be bitchy to you), if you approach them and try to talk to them. Meanwhile..you're not even aware that this dynamic is happening at that venue, because you're just doing your thing as usual. But it would explain why if you try to talk to those girls, why they would ignore you, be bitchy towards you, or blow you out for no apparent reason. Now because i said this..i can already see that guys reading this will get really afraid to go out now LOL. And they will say that.. "GFRESH2DEF said that these girls that frequent the bars & clubs that i game at, have already seen me approaching girls, so they already know that i'm there to pickup girls. So therefore..i'm not gonna go out anymore!"..NO DUDE..JUST CHILL!..RELAX! LOL The simple solution is to go to multiple different venues. And specifically go to the bars & clubs that have a high volume of people there. There are always a fresh new crowd of girls coming in and out all the time, at these high volume bars & clubs. So you won't need to worry about approaching the same circle of girl friends, that have friends that they know you tried hitting on before. My friend Jeff (i mentioned him in a couple of my past reports) likes to always go to this one particular club, and that's the only place that he goes to every weekend. A big part of the reason why he always goes there, is because he has pulled a few girls from there in the past. I've once seen him pull one girl from that club..straight to the back seats of the Lyft car that he ordered, with my very own eyes. There is no doubt that he has had some successes there, which is why he always goes there every Thursdays & Saturdays (and sometimes Fridays). But on most nights..he struggles to pull any girls from there. And if that's really the case for him now..then it's probably because he has blown up that spot. Meaning..that most of the girls who frequent that club, has probably seen my boy Jeff plenty of times already, and they know what he's about and why he's there. Me on the other hand..i've pulled girls from multiple different venues (half a dozen venues +), and i'm never always at just one particular bar or club. Because i like to diversify my different options of venues like that lol. Btw Svabos..what ever happened with the milf with the high sex drive, who was your fuck buddy? Are you still seeing her, or is that relationship over now? -G
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Post by svabos on May 29, 2019 12:20:33 GMT
problem isn't the venue, problem is salsa in general: the number of people in my town who go to salsa parties is limited to maybe two hundred so I meet them on every salsa party there is in my town... And this particular party holds on only once a month so basically I'm seen by those people only once a month. And here people aren't into exchanging groups, there's a big problem even to dance with girls from other dance school so I'm not afraid of bad reputation. But yes, come think of it, I've probably been seen by all girls numerous times, same as I see them, which concludes that people who dance salsa either come to dance salsa or they are all hunting all the time... But also I don't tend to pick girls for casual sex, I'm looking only for girls that I truly like... I do dance with lots of them, but after dance it's normal not to continue conversation (9 out of 10 girls aren't interested for any kind of conversation) Btw Svabos..what ever happened with the milf with the high sex drive, who was your fuck buddy? Are you still seeing her, or is that relationship over now? we are still in contact and I can call her any time. But it draws my energy, I don't feel happy after having sex with her. I want someone my age with whom I'll wish to spend my time. Just yesterday I've been on a date with one a bit older milf than me (she is 43, I'm 38) and she wants relationship. I don't. I would gladly fu*k her, told her so and touched her and she called me cocky and stated "no relationship, no goods". Well I'm not that desperate, I'll rather be alone that to force myself into relationship I'm not enthusiastic about just to have (good) sex.
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Post by JackZero on May 29, 2019 14:57:39 GMT
That's why you tell her in advanced. Let her work out the logistics with her friends. If she doesn't want to then it just shows you how much interest she has in you.
For the life of me, I can't understand why you would tell a woman that you don't want them in a long term relationship. Those words should never come out of your mouth. You are telling them that they are not good enough to settle down with but they are good enough to fuck. Nope. That's not the real problem. I hate to be harsh, but you need to understand that you are acting like the good looking social idiot. Your description of yourself and how you act explains a lot on why you are having a hard time. You think a nice guy causes them to lose interest, so you've adopted a take it or leave it attitude and you still don't get the girl. You "just being honest" is causing women not to put in the effort in trying to win you over. What does it tell you when you see a girl that you went on a date with and now she won't make eye contact and it becomes a normal thing? It means that you are the problem and not them.
You have to realize that if you want a woman she's going to want to feel good about being around you. If you are taking away the fun of being seduced from her, she's going to lose interest in you.
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Post by svabos on May 30, 2019 8:39:26 GMT
For the life of me, I can't understand why you would tell a woman that you don't want them in a long term relationship. Those words should never come out of your mouth. You are telling them that they are not good enough to settle down with but they are good enough to fuck. Cause making them believe I would like to be with them would be lying and there for a manipulation. I'm not searching for ONS, I want true honest relationship. If I don't like the girl enough after getting to know her and seeing that we won't be able to be in relationship, I don't see the point of offering them more than just sex. That's exactly what Mark Manson advises and I can see the truth in that. So if they don't want just sex, ok, no sex for anyone then... Only problem is that in my country the number of girls that want relationship vs the girls that would accept ONS is 99:1 and all of those 99 act like they are the best prize and jet they usually are shallow and boring princesses who want manly man which I'm just not (I'm emotional guy, I can't respect anyone who doesn't respect me and my need to express emotions) You have to realize that if you want a woman she's going to want to feel good about being around you. If you are taking away the fun of being seduced from her, she's going to lose interest in you. So what you are saying is that I should be just out of reach and let them chase me and never to offer myself plainly to them as "here I am, take it or leave it" because in that way if they take it, they didn't had to do anything and therefor the game was no fun at all so they'll rather leave it cause that way they just can forget about everything and move on That makes sense And yea, I'm social idiot and I really they to change that and it ain't easy cause I was like that for whole my life with just almost a year of opening myself towards others... a lot of work there and the pool for experiments isn't big
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Post by JackZero on May 30, 2019 15:16:54 GMT
For the life of me, I can't understand why you would tell a woman that you don't want them in a long term relationship. Those words should never come out of your mouth. You are telling them that they are not good enough to settle down with but they are good enough to fuck. Cause making them believe I would like to be with them would be lying and there for a manipulation. I'm not searching for ONS, I want true honest relationship. If I don't like the girl enough after getting to know her and seeing that we won't be able to be in relationship, I don't see the point of offering them more than just sex. That's exactly what Mark Manson advises and I can see the truth in that. So if they don't want just sex, ok, no sex for anyone then... Only problem is that in my country the number of girls that want relationship vs the girls that would accept ONS is 99:1 and all of those 99 act like they are the best prize and jet they usually are shallow and boring princesses who want manly man which I'm just not (I'm emotional guy, I can't respect anyone who doesn't respect me and my need to express emotions)Reread what you wrote. You are telling us that 99% of the women in your country are not willing to have sex with a man unless they are in a relationship. Let's assume that your number is true, then why would you listen to Mark Manson? He's not from where you're from and his advice cannot fit into your culture unless you are fine with women walking away. You are also saying that you get to know a woman and AFTER getting to know her you tell her that you don't want a relationship with her but sex is still on the table. Do you get how insulting that would be for a woman? That would be the equivalent of a woman telling you that she doesn't want to have sex with you but she's willing to let you support her. I highlighted the last part of your paragraph because you are essentially saying that the way that you carry yourself is unattractive to women. I doubt that you've met any woman that doesn't want you to express your emotions. It is highly possible that these women don't respect HOW you express your emotions. You have to realize that if you want a woman she's going to want to feel good about being around you. If you are taking away the fun of being seduced from her, she's going to lose interest in you. So what you are saying is that I should be just out of reach and let them chase me and never to offer myself plainly to them as "here I am, take it or leave it" because in that way if they take it, they didn't had to do anything and therefor the game was no fun at all so they'll rather leave it cause that way they just can forget about everything and move on That makes sense And yea, I'm social idiot and I really they to change that and it ain't easy cause I was like that for whole my life with just almost a year of opening myself towards others... a lot of work there and the pool for experiments isn't big I'm saying that they need to feel good about themselves because they are in your presence. How you go about getting her to feel that way can be done in lots of different ways.
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Post by svabos on May 31, 2019 8:42:05 GMT
Reread what you wrote. You are telling us that 99% of the women in your country are not willing to have sex with a man unless they are in a relationship. Let's assume that your number is true, then why would you listen to Mark Manson? He's not from where you're from and his advice cannot fit into your culture unless you are fine with women walking away. hmmm... thinking about it I've realized that I approach them with notion that I'm seeking a relationship so when I get them on a date sometimes they would like just sex and try to show that by playing the game which I'm not willing to accept that so that ends up in those situations where they avoid me later and those I get to know and realize I don't want relationship with after all, then I change the offer to sex which causes resistance with them where they are unwilling to have sex because they expect relationship... so my statement that 99% of them doesn't want just sex is wrong: I don't ask them just sex in the first place You are also saying that you get to know a woman and AFTER getting to know her you tell her that you don't want a relationship with her but sex is still on the table. Do you get how insulting that would be for a woman? That would be the equivalent of a woman telling you that she doesn't want to have sex with you but she's willing to let you support her.Isn't that exactly what women do when they put a man in friend zone? It's exactly saying to the guy "I don't want to have sex with you but we can hang out so you can entertain me"
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Post by Heywood Jablowme on May 31, 2019 13:27:33 GMT
Isn't that exactly what women do when they put a man in friend zone? It's exactly saying to the guy "I don't want to have sex with you but we can hang out so you can entertain me" Nope. Women never tell you that. They just let you.
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Post by JackZero on May 31, 2019 16:06:48 GMT
You are also saying that you get to know a woman and AFTER getting to know her you tell her that you don't want a relationship with her but sex is still on the table. Do you get how insulting that would be for a woman? That would be the equivalent of a woman telling you that she doesn't want to have sex with you but she's willing to let you support her.Isn't that exactly what women do when they put a man in friend zone? It's exactly saying to the guy "I don't want to have sex with you but we can hang out so you can entertain me" Not at all the same. Friendzone is exactly what it is. No more than friends. She's not asking any more of you than she would ask of one of her female friends even though she knows that you are attracted to her. If she is asking you to give her your resources because she knows that you are attracted to her and she isn't willing to have sex with you, she is using you for her benefit without giving you anything in return. That's my point with you. You are showing them that you are looking for something specific with a woman. When you figure out that she's not what you want, you basically tell them that they aren't what you are looking for. After you dry the pussy with that statement, you tell them that you are still willing to have sex with them.
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