Approaching and Opening

[maestro]

I have enough openers to approach and open a set, I'm only worried that my friends might notice that I'm using the same openers all the time on different people. Now that I think about it, I remember that your supposed to go in alone, and friends "wing" you by coming in later, they have be in on the game, or their not "wings". I guess that solves the issue if you go in alone. Does anyone else feel like their friends will call them out for using the same routines over and over again.

[JackZero]

What is it about your friends that would make you think they'd do this to you?  Really think about your answer because my question is a trap.

[maestro]

I don't think they'd care honestly, just wondered if anyone else feels weird about using your material in front of the same people. But actually if it's your own material and if your approaching sets, it wouldn't be the case.

[JackZero]

That's why I said my question was a trap. If your friends would call you out on using canned material during an approach, then there is something wrong with you for hanging out with guys like that. The other side of that trap is overthinking this on your part and kind of showing that you are finding reasons to not approach women when that's your obvious goal. From this point your questions should be based on things that actually happen to you as opposed to "what if". The "what ifs" will do more damage to your overall progress than a cockblocking friend.

[maestro]

Makes sense. Thanks man.

[Heywood Jablowme]

OP understand, even with your closest friends. Failure loves company. 

They would rather you fail with them, then succeed without them. 

[Kartel]

i totally agree with jackzero: if your wingmen calls you out on using the same routines or stories on different sets then maybe you should think if is the case to change your wingmen. surround yourself with people from which is possible to learn from and improve yourself in any area of your life, get rid of people who hold you back from becoming a better person

[chef89]

Oct 9, 2020 14:35:04 GMT Heywood Jablowme said:

OP understand, even with your closest friends. Failure loves company. 

They would rather you fail with them, then succeed without them. 

This is so true, haha.

[sexybeast]

this is all rubbish.

watch this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6Fnwbtzp8

You act like the guy in the club with the blue jacket in the beginning and at 1.50 when your in clubs with girls standing up. that guy got game. none of this routine crap. Your there to bang them.

[siliconmagician]

Dec 3, 2020 15:24:21 GMT sexybeast said:

this is all rubbish.

watch this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6Fnwbtzp8

You act like the guy in the club with the blue jacket in the beginning and at 1.50 when your in clubs with girls standing up. that guy got game. none of this routine crap. Your there to bang them.

Then why are you here since you obviously have it all figured out? "That guy" is a male in the top 10% or better in looks and probably wealth. He's not a "normal" guy. "Normals" who acted like that guy will have girls turning away from him the moment he tried. He doesn't "have game", he was born with natural advantages unavailable to many if not most men.

Nothing in that music video is going to help the nerdy kid with social anxiety approach women or have a fun and fulfilling social life. What is that video showing other than a bunch of elite women most men could never dream of having? Nothing.

[siliconmagician]

Oct 7, 2020 20:08:01 GMT maestro said:

I have enough openers to approach and open a set, I'm only worried that my friends might notice that I'm using the same openers all the time on different people. Now that I think about it, I remember that your supposed to go in alone, and friends "wing" you by coming in later, they have be in on the game, or their not "wings". I guess that solves the issue if you go in alone. Does anyone else feel like their friends will call them out for using the same routines over and over again.

First off, Pickup is a game always best played alone. It is harder sometimes, but the challenges you face alone will eventually make you the envy of all your friends. Your friends aren't going to be any assistance to you anyway. If they are good looking naturals, they will overshadow you. If they are frustrated chumps, they will embarrass you.

I tell my buddies that if they want to continue hanging out with me there is one rule and one rule they shall not break with me. 

If you see me at a table with women by myself, you leave me the fk alone. You do not come by and say hello, you do not try to get in on it. You leave me the fuck ALONE and if you see me with a single female at a table and you come horning in and fuck up my game, we're fighting right then and there. If someone disregards these rules and I've had pricks do this to me, then they will never be in my presence again. I can always find some new asshole to hang out with. My true friends have been around me for years and know damn well what I'm doing when I'm talking with women and they know they best just let me be. I always announce to them. "See you guys in awhile, I've got some women to talk to." and leave them there. Many have doubted me, until 10 minutes later my arms are around girls and we're laughing and having a great time. Then they realize I wasn't kidding around.

"Wingmen" are there to hold "home plate" table down so you have a place to retreat to between sets or if an opening goes sour. That is ALL they are there for. None of them will understand this game we play. Most men look down on systematic game. They think of it as a crutch or weakness or bullshit and most of them will end up with some 250 lbs "Plain Jane" that they settle for. Don't be them. 

[JackZero]

Dec 3, 2020 15:24:21 GMT sexybeast said:

this is all rubbish.

watch this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6Fnwbtzp8

You act like the guy in the club with the blue jacket in the beginning and at 1.50 when your in clubs with girls standing up. that guy got game. none of this routine crap. Your there to bang them.

Are you serious?  A music video?  I thought it was going to be an infield.  LMAO...just stand behind the girl and kind of dance...that's game. 

[Alex Penn]

Dude, real talk—authenticity is your secret weapon. If you're recycling openers, your friends might catch on. Better to mix it up, keep it fresh. And yeah, going solo can be a power move. No distractions, no routine suspicions. But hey, if your friends are real ones, they'll back you up, not call you out. So, what's your move, smooth operator?

And for the second scenario, let's cut the BS. Authenticity beats routine every time. If you're worried your friends will clock your game, switch it up. Going solo can be a boss move. But if your crew's legit, they'll have your back, not call you out.

[maestro]

Thanks guys, this post was a long time ago and honestly I don't have this fear anymore. Example: One of my natural friends was talking about his other friends and how sometimes he gets annoyed hanging out with them because he has to hear him tell the same stories over and over again to differnet girls and guys and sets. So you can see it's normal when your very social to tell the same stories to different people, you need the practice and if anything you could have some new stories eventuallly to keep it interesting. Just my two cents.

[HipSoSlick]

I did the routine thing. What it did was, it allowed me to have something to say to women. I wasn't being myself, I was not really listening to what they were saying, I did the "script" the "neg" thing and that's it.
The thing about these"routines" things and "acts" (because you know it's all an act) the problem with these things are that (if you do get that girl) you gotta keep that "act" up and if you don't you'll be you and she won't want that, she'll be wondering what happened to that boy.
I have been there and that girl told me straight up, "I'm Bored!" (I still hit, but she was real) I was not that guy I first "presented" myself to be.
Maestro, it's koo to do the routine thing (if you're just starting out) but like the other players are saying, at some point stay away from them "routine" or "canned material" whatever they're called. Just be you (i hated hearing that, until I understood) "just being you" means just go for it - put yourself out there and see what happens.
As far as the friends thing. I go out gaming on my own. No wing. I will open the set and engage the group (but most of the times, I stay away from groups) I don't have any friends. If they talk bad about your game, (and i don't mean constructive criticism) if they talk bad or make fun of you for having the brass balls to step to a hottie, even if it's canned or whatever you do, man cut those mfkz off or just don't go sarging with them. Do your thing player. It gets better later.