Two theories

[maestro]

I would like to touch on three theories from the pick up artist community and whether or not they work and why I think they do:

One is being the tribal leader, this is a theory made popular by Mystery but I think alot of guys get this wrong, do you have a solid group of guys who are your "gang" or your "tribe" if not how are you going to show to the girl that your cool and popular? How are you going to show that your a "tribal leader" or atleast part of a group with one? It's a neccessary part of the game and can be difficult, being famous will show that you are the "alpha male" but that doesn't neccessarily make you a "tribal leader" or part of a group, go for both. Become famous and become a "tribal leader" or be a part of a group atleasr. That way they both work to make you an Alpha Male and "part of a tribe". 

Second is "Peacock Theory":

Does this actually work? I think it does but also see guys who look cool and pull girls wearing sweatpants and hoodies, honestly I think that's because the street style is so popular and they can pull off a cool look. I think it works and if you look at all the great players in Hip Hop for example, "Snoop Dogg", "50 Cent", "Eminem", "Biggie Smalls" and "Tupac" they all stuck out with their clothing and "peacocked" so ask yourself the question do you want to be a real player on the level of these great people in the "game" or do you want to blend in with the rest? Stand out and use this to your advantage, do it everyday if possible or atleast dress your best everyday because it is a lifestyle and an image you are projecting and it also makes you "feel" cooler as well.

Group Theory:
This works and I think most people who argue against it have never really tried it, I've been doing magic my whole life and I think that's one reason why I gravitate to the Mystery Method partly because Mystery used to be a magician. If you can walk up to a group of people with guys and girls in it and perform magic, you can get the girl. If you can show a cool magic trick to a guy and ignore the girl, you can get the girl. It's the same thing that's always worked ignore and neg the target, pay attention to the guy, peacock and DHV by showing that your a cool guy. That's it, I have to admit I need to get better at this because this is where the game is played but I will keep pushing. Cheers.

[JackZero]

I may be reading this wrong, but I see 3 theories here...but nevertheless...

1. Tribal leader - The attractive quality is that if you have guys willing to follow you, you are demonstrating that you a masculine quality.

2. Peacock theory - I don't know if your examples are necessarily good ones because all of those guys are famous and you could go into just about any inner city neighborhood and people that don't dress like them are the odd men out. I believe that peacocking is overrated and it should be avoided if possible, but it does have validity to it. Being able to stand out is what guys try to go for to catch women's attention without having to say words to them. It's a forced IOI tactic. The problem with it, for the most part, the more you stand out...the more likely that you are going to disqualify yourself from women too.

3. Group theory - I've seen this work in quite a few ways. Guys who give lectures and demonstrations, comedians, musicians, and the list goes on (including magicians). It is an attractive quality to command the attention of a room and show that you have an expertise in something.

When it comes down to it when it comes to pickup, these are all tactics to get a woman to look in your direction. If you're lucky they'll approach. If you notice them eyeing you, it's your invitation to open. If you want to approach without getting that invitation, it makes your approach a little warmer than just being a total stranger.

[maestro]

Sorry yes, three theories. Peacocking is a theory that you believe in or you don't. The famous people who do this are high up in the game at times and they know it's better to stand out then not, howver that means for you. Yes, group theory is a way to "hold court" in a group which can generate "attraction". Being seen as "the tribal leader", "holding court" and "peacocking" even are seen in ways to garner "interest" and "attraction" in girls. Mostly attraction..

[G-host]

Dec 28, 2023 2:58:28 GMT maestro said:

One is being the tribal leader, this is a theory made popular by Mystery but I think alot of guys get this wrong, do you have a solid group of guys who are your "gang" or your "tribe" if not how are you going to show to the girl that your cool and popular? How are you going to show that your a "tribal leader" or atleast part of a group with one? It's a neccessary part of the game and can be difficult, being famous will show that you are the "alpha male" but that doesn't neccessarily make you a "tribal leader" or part of a group, go for both. Become famous and become a "tribal leader" or be a part of a group atleasr. That way they both work to make you an Alpha Male and "part of a tribe". 

When i was young, i was part of a group that i considered my friends.. as brothers even. Becuse of that, i met some females. Two of my friends had girlfrends at that time and their friends, became our friends. So i know there are benefits to be around people who support eachother. But, its not necessary in my opinion. Cant tell for sure but i get the idea that the ladies i approched alone, all by myself, could take it as an unsaid compliment.. that she were one of my selected few (instead of me being popular). And i think that sub-consiously, i was vibing that i am a part of a "tribe", my family mostly now adays. Very important people to me. So i am carrying in my heart that i am loved by folks that i love right back! Im not saying that this is the best way, im just saying that this is possible.

[G-host]

Im curious, i have my own idea about why being part of a tribe can be appealing to women but why is it important to you? And i prefer being a "sigma" male rather than an alpha. Its something of a lone wolf who is confident, able and liked by women. A man who doesnt really care for things like status. I like to "live by my own rules".

[G-host]

Women care about what other women think of her. More so than what men do. They talk about everything about everything. So they are more group oriented. Guys on the other hand, is supposed to be able to ”stand on his own two feet”. I think its attractive to a woman to be with a man who is self assertive and is grounded even when you two are in public. My point is, you dont NEED to be on top of the world as long as she wont be ashamed about being in your presence.

[maestro]

Hello G-host, the way I think about it is you can go out alone and that's a great skill to have and is definately something to do. The next level though is wingmanship and ofcourse social circle, wingmaship is difficult but you can put in work to finding a good wing. Social circle is the way Mystery thinks about but at the end of the day it's about having a cool group of friends that you can count on it and go out with, it's "real". But the next level to just having a cool group of friends is having a "tribe" some women would think of it as having a "gang". Think of Wiz Khalifa who has "Taylor Gang", think of DMX who has the Ruff Ryder's or any other famous person who has their group of "friends" they came up with. I'm not saying to be part of a "gang" or start one but start with social circle, a cool group of friends you can go out with and stick by but eventually you should have a close group of friends, preferable people you grew up with or are from the city your from and you should make them your "permanent social circle" which is really what "gang" is, it's the people you stick by through thick and thin and this is attractive to women because it's like choosing to go to war with your close friends, it's showing that you've been through hell as a men with your boys right by your side and now your on the other side still alive. I'm not saying to do anything illegal or stupid but having a "social circle" to start, a wing and having "gang" are tools in your tool belt. Thank you.

[JackZero]

Dec 29, 2023 15:59:45 GMT maestro said:

Hello G-host, the way I think about it is you can go out alone and that's a great skill to have and is definately something to do. The next level though is wingmanship and ofcourse social circle, wingmaship is difficult but you can put in work to finding a good wing. Social circle is the way Mystery thinks about but at the end of the day it's about having a cool group of friends that you can count on it and go out with, it's "real". But the next level to just having a cool group of friends is having a "tribe" some women would think of it as having a "gang". Think of Wiz Khalifa who has "Taylor Gang", think of DMX who has the Ruff Ryder's or any other famous person who has their group of "friends" they came up with. I'm not saying to be part of a "gang" or start one but start with social circle, a cool group of friends you can go out with and stick by but eventually you should have a close group of friends, preferable people you grew up with or are from the city your from and you should make them your "permanent social circle" which is really what "gang" is, it's the people you stick by through thick and thin and this is attractive to women because it's like choosing to go to war with your close friends, it's showing that you've been through hell as a men with your boys right by your side and now your on the other side still alive. I'm not saying to do anything illegal or stupid but having a "social circle" to start, a wing and having "gang" are tools in your tool belt. Thank you.

I think you are fooling yourself if you believe that wingmen and social circle is anything next level when it comes to picking up women.  At best, it's a quality that may be attractive to some women. If having a wingman or social circle is where your comfort zone is and it's natural to incorporate it into a way of attracting women, then by all means use it.  However, the goal for pickup at the end of the day is to get a woman to be on the same page as you.  Your wingman, your group, your tribe, your social circle, your gang is not going to be the thing that's going to be the thing that does it. Figure out thing things about yourself that women would like and develop your strategy around that. More importantly, focus your strategy on getting a woman to want to be a part of what you are doing. 

I have peeled off girls from guys that use social game. I'm able to do it because I like to flirt with women and I'm fun to be around. If I were to add a social circle or add a wingman as a tactic, it would more than likely hinder what I do to attract women.  IMO, you need to figure out what women would find attractive about you and build from there.

Keep in mind, I'm not knocking your strategy. I think it's a good one if it matches who you are. If social circle doesn't match your personality, then it will not work for you and you'll likely lose out on women who may have initially been attracted to you.

[maestro]

Yes, thank you JackZero. I agree not everyone needs a "wingman" or a "social circle" but it is definately a tactic in your tool belt if your willing to use it. I know Mystery talks about having a "social circle" aligned with your identity for example if your an actor you would have your "manager", "photographer" and "wingman" all be there to play the part and boost you up. Again, interesting tactic but you don't "need" it if what you do is working for you. Cheers.

[G-host]

And the problem i have with being the alpha male or the tribal leader is that there can only be one. How do you make it work with a new group, what position do you take?

[dev]

What is Your goal in joining the group? What do You want to achieve by joining?
Maybe picking a tactic based on a goal would be a good approach.

[G-host]

What i understand about mystery method (that Maestro is very fond of) the goal would be to charm the group and make group preassure to work in your favor to get the girl. Am i right so far? Befriend the others while ignoring your target so she will yearn for your attention. Even neg her if you can. Then, when all of her friends have accepted you, you can ”borrow” some of her time alone, becuse you are percieved as being safe. So you isolate her for a while and then you work your magic. And thats A way of doing it althou, i havent opened up groups myself. Ive have dealt with groups but mostly one on one or two girls.

Or do you have other goals and methods?

[dev]

I mean I never approached a group with the pick up intent. Sometimes I approached just to make new acquaintances or just being frendly or I saw something interesting and wanted to share to make people laugh (I liked it back in the days). Unfortunately back then I was a complete ignorant towards Ladies and there were many opportunities to befriend or even more with 9s and 10s.
I noticed that being genuinely funny brings big attention and genuine interest. People start asking questions and You can make meaningfull conversations and based on them make friends or more.

Sometimes just being competent made me make some new hot Ladies acquainted - like on university study groups. As I think about it now - I was just genuinely interested in fulfilling the tasks and somehow I was usually the leader of the group. Even at work it sometimes happened out of the blue even amongst managers. I can't explain why - but I just wanted to get the tasks done honestly and with the best possible outcome. I'm not talkative or loud or a rock star or entertainer. Generally I'm just not afraid of taking the lead when I see there is a need, otherwise I stay in the shadow and let others glow and that was probably enough, can't think of anything else, to get to know hot ladies from a group.

[G-host]

Jan 10, 2024 13:22:39 GMT dev said:

What is Your goal in joining the group? What do You want to achieve by joining?
Maybe picking a tactic based on a goal would be a good approach.

I would love for maestro to answer on his take on this and what i asked about what position he assumes in the group he is opening.

[G-host]

And about being the alpha and/or tribe leader.. insted of being THE man, ill rather be A man or, HER, man. But thats just MY opinion