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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 14, 2018 20:22:57 GMT
Actually science is disputable. There are no facts per se or objective realities since you invoked the philosophical. Life and reality is whatever meaning you’ve superimposed on top of it.
In other words you can purposely choose to subscribe to whatever reality you want. We hypnotize ourselves unknowingly daily. This is the whole notion behind red pill blue pill. There is no objective proof per se. we just form a best hypothesis given the information we currently have at hand. I don’t care to delve further into this realm but science in itself has yet to PROOVE human behaviour and I’ve worked enough as a clinician to know it’s merits but also it’s shortcomings.
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Post by saddog on Oct 14, 2018 20:27:01 GMT
oh boy, no wonder why that girl dont want to have sex with you. Such a weirdo, "hey girl, we are animals, your only function here, in this world is...make babies, also aliens are observing us" hahahhahahahhaha
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 14, 2018 20:36:35 GMT
oh boy, no wonder why that girl dont want to have sex with you. Such a weirdo, "hey girl, we are animals, your only function here, in this world is...make babies, also aliens are observing us" hahahhahahahhaha Dude relax with the attacks let’s keep things civil and on track.
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Post by saddog on Oct 14, 2018 20:42:56 GMT
Actually science is disputable. There are no facts per se or objective realities since you invoked the philosophical. Life and reality is whatever meaning you’ve superimposed on top of it. In other words you can purposely choose to subscribe to whatever reality you want. We hypnotize ourselves unknowingly daily. This is the whole notion behind red pill blue pill. There is no objective proof per se. we just form a best hypothesis given the information we currently have at hand. I don’t care to delve further into this realm but science in itself has yet to PROOVE human behaviour and I’ve worked enough as a clinician to know it’s merits but also it’s shortcomings. I have to disagree, there is a large amount of research that serve to interests, and dont have peer review, are totally discredit by community and some people choose to believe in it. This is create a new reality, where facts doesnt matter. Like the vaccine vs autism thing, this shit put society in check, diseases are coming back because of this. Just because some people like to use "science", and dont know shit about it, and how it works. it come to surface when someone take science as absolute truth.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 14, 2018 20:44:01 GMT
Actually science is disputable. There are no facts per se or objective realities since you invoked the philosophical. Life and reality is whatever meaning you’ve superimposed on top of it. In other words you can purposely choose to subscribe to whatever reality you want. We hypnotize ourselves unknowingly daily. This is the whole notion behind red pill blue pill. There is no objective proof per se. we just form a best hypothesis given the information we currently have at hand. I don’t care to delve further into this realm but science in itself has yet to PROOVE human behaviour and I’ve worked enough as a clinician to know it’s merits but also it’s shortcomings. I have to disagree, there is a large amount of research that serve to interests, and dont have peer review, are totally discredit by community and some people choose to believe in it. This is create a new reality, where facts doesnt matter. Like the vaccine vs autism thing, this shit put society in check, diseases are coming back because of this. Just because some people like to use "science", and dont know shit about it, and how it works. it come to surface when someone take science as absolute truth. I wasn’t inferring facts don’t matter or there are none per se. I’m saying science itself doesn’t provide for you the whole picture.
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Post by Prince on Oct 14, 2018 21:32:37 GMT
Actually science is disputable. There are no facts per se or objective realities since you invoked the philosophical. Life and reality is whatever meaning you’ve superimposed on top of it. In other words you can purposely choose to subscribe to whatever reality you want. We hypnotize ourselves unknowingly daily. This is the whole notion behind red pill blue pill. There is no objective proof per se. we just form a best hypothesis given the information we currently have at hand. I don’t care to delve further into this realm but science in itself has yet to PROOVE human behaviour and I’ve worked enough as a clinician to know it’s merits but also it’s shortcomings. I completely understand your point and I have no problem with people who create a bubble or alternate reality of their own and live in it because it makes them feel happy. It does not change facts or reality, nevertheless. Facts ARE objective and do not change only because believing in the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster comforts me. Same principle applies to the nature of mankind and most other animals. No anecdote refutes the laws of nature. The truth is not pleasant and you are 100% correct. It can cause unbearable anxiety. For the majority of people a comforting lie is best. At the end of the day deep down we both know the billionaire has a slightly better chance at developing that magical "deep spiritual connection" with most women in the world than does the homeless guy on the street, or even you and me. Does that mean all women are gold digging whores? No. Could it be the billionaire's better social skills? May be. Or it could mean the theory of evolution is at work.
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Post by R.C on Oct 15, 2018 17:59:26 GMT
There's probably a reason why they're billionaires you know. Certain qualities that led up to their status. Qualities that may generally be perceived as highly attractive.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 15, 2018 18:32:55 GMT
N2, The ultimate goal of nature is reproduction, not love or relationships. The female in any species therefore is always attracted to the strongest and fittest male she can mate with. It is dangerously naive to think a few thousand years of human civilization has changed billions of years of evolution. 1. You're making a statement on proximal vs ultimate cause - in which case yes, from a ultimate cause vantage point I agree we are hardwired to procreate/improve our phylogeny through behaviors designed to enhance our reproductive success. What you're missing is how attachment plays to this end as well, rather than fitness cues being a sole indicator. Attachment would explain why even if a 'higher status' male came along, a woman would stay with her current partner. This could arguable be due to low self-esteem (perceived low value) and other variables. 2. Not true, there are males in other species, including a few human tribes where they are the pursued and the female of the species 'peacock' to attract him. 3. I never once made any such inference. Where did you get this from?
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 15, 2018 18:33:56 GMT
Actually science is disputable. There are no facts per se or objective realities since you invoked the philosophical. Life and reality is whatever meaning you’ve superimposed on top of it. In other words you can purposely choose to subscribe to whatever reality you want. We hypnotize ourselves unknowingly daily. This is the whole notion behind red pill blue pill. There is no objective proof per se. we just form a best hypothesis given the information we currently have at hand. I don’t care to delve further into this realm but science in itself has yet to PROOVE human behaviour and I’ve worked enough as a clinician to know it’s merits but also it’s shortcomings. I completely understand your point and I have no problem with people who create a bubble or alternate reality of their own and live in it because it makes them feel happy. It does not change facts or reality, nevertheless. Facts ARE objective and do not change only because believing in the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster comforts me. Same principle applies to the nature of mankind and most other animals. No anecdote refutes the laws of nature. The truth is not pleasant and you are 100% correct. It can cause unbearable anxiety. For the majority of people a comforting lie is best. At the end of the day deep down we both know the billionaire has a slightly better chance at developing that magical "deep spiritual connection" with most women in the world than does the homeless guy on the street, or even you and me. Does that mean all women are gold digging whores? No. Could it be the billionaire's better social skills? May be. Or it could mean the theory of evolution is at work. What about the billionaire or celebrity who couldn't get laid to save his life? Outliers? I've worked with several male clients who are extremely successful men (type A dominant) who struggle in attracting women. By your estimation (correct me if I am mistaken) you're stating that their having greater access to resources, and demonstrating strong fitness indicators such as being higher on the socio-economic hierarchy, being in power postions etc, that pussy should be falling out of the sky for them. Right? The problem with your assertions ins't the science itself, its rather the ignoring of other variables and dynamics interplaying that will determine whether someone 'cheats' or not. Hypergamy is a very 1 dimensional view of human behaviour that may fit some of the time, but certainly not all of the time.
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Post by Prince on Oct 15, 2018 18:38:17 GMT
I completely understand your point and I have no problem with people who create a bubble or alternate reality of their own and live in it because it makes them feel happy. It does not change facts or reality, nevertheless. Facts ARE objective and do not change only because believing in the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster comforts me. Same principle applies to the nature of mankind and most other animals. No anecdote refutes the laws of nature. The truth is not pleasant and you are 100% correct. It can cause unbearable anxiety. For the majority of people a comforting lie is best. At the end of the day deep down we both know the billionaire has a slightly better chance at developing that magical "deep spiritual connection" with most women in the world than does the homeless guy on the street, or even you and me. Does that mean all women are gold digging whores? No. Could it be the billionaire's better social skills? May be. Or it could mean the theory of evolution is at work. What about the billionaire or celebrity who couldn't get laid to save his life? Outliers? I've worked with several male clients who are extremely successful men (type A dominant) who struggle in attracting women. By your estimation (correct me if I am mistaken) you're stating that their having greater access to resources, and demonstrating strong fitness indicators such as being higher on the socio-economic hierarchy, being in power postions etc, that pussy should be falling out of the sky for them. Right? Anecdote again? I thought this was a logical discussion. You simply have beliefs that you don't want to change. Fine. Women get attached and no matter what they won't leave their man. And status and power means nothing when it comes to attracting women. Awesome. Problem solved!
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 15, 2018 18:39:36 GMT
it's a discussion. You injected the word "logical".
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Post by Prince on Oct 15, 2018 18:49:54 GMT
Ok, you should know then that's not how a debate works. Anecdote and appeal to authority do not prove one's point.
I think I can see why you insist so rigidly on your beliefs, though.
You hinted that you work in this field so I think you might be a therapist of some sort? If that's the case you simply cannot change those beliefs because you are making a living out of those beliefs. And therefore I will not continue this debate.
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Post by Prince on Oct 15, 2018 18:53:06 GMT
There's probably a reason why they're billionaires you know. Certain qualities that led up to their status. Qualities that may generally be perceived as highly attractive. You're just repeating what I've been saying over and over again. These qualities of "the fittest" mostly translate into more physical power and usually killing or scaring away other males in the animal kingdom, and they usually translate into wealth when it comes to human beings.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 15, 2018 18:54:35 GMT
Ok, you should know then that's not how a debate works. Anecdote and appeal to authority do not prove one's point. I think I can see why you insist so rigidly on your beliefs, though. You hinted that you work in this field so I think you might be a therapist of some sort? If that's the case you simply cannot change those beliefs because you are making a living out of those beliefs. And therefore I will not continue this debate. This looks more like a projection than anything. You set things up with your statements, which did not allow for any room for anything that "facts" can't explain. And then you're upset because when others present room for other explanations, brushing it off as anecdote. There was no debate from the beginning. Your last comment was telling in that you've hit a cul-de-sac in the conversation and looking for an escape route. At this point you can excuse yourself. And yes, I am a therapist - its my task to take everything into consideration that has merit (which is what I decide upon, of course) ;o) I will caution you to heed how some of those 'facts' you'd presented are helping (or hindering) you in your quest for a healthy relationship assuming even that is a goal of yours.
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Post by Prince on Oct 15, 2018 19:10:42 GMT
Ok, you should know then that's not how a debate works. Anecdote and appeal to authority do not prove one's point. I think I can see why you insist so rigidly on your beliefs, though. You hinted that you work in this field so I think you might be a therapist of some sort? If that's the case you simply cannot change those beliefs because you are making a living out of those beliefs. And therefore I will not continue this debate. This looks more like a projection than anything. You set things up with your statements, which did not allow for any room for anything that "facts" can't explain. And then you're upset because when others present room for other explanations, brushing it off as anecdote. There was no debate from the beginning. Your last comment was telling in that you've hit a cul-de-sac in the conversation and looking for an escape route. At this point you can excuse yourself. And yes, I am a therapist - its my task to take everything into consideration that has merit (which is what I decide upon, of course) ;o) I will caution you to heed how some of those 'facts' you'd presented are helping (or hindering) you in your quest for a healthy relationship assuming even that is a goal of yours. Can you give me an honest yes or no answer to the following statement please? It is fair to say that if you, as a therapist, are some day convinced of the proposed hypergamist nature of the female, it can negatively affect your career and income since no amount of therapy will fix a troubled relationship if the trouble has roots in the proposed notion of hypergamy.
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