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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 0:04:38 GMT
"And before we idolize women for their "deep spiritual connection" with us we need to understand that women, due to their evolutionary nature, are 1000 times more materialistic than men. Fulfillment is a euphemism for access to resources, especially pronounced after the honeymoon phase has faded away. "
Your intentions are to spread your hate/vitriol towards women, and you attack others as being PC. I called it in your original comments, yet you accuse others of being "rigid". Classic reaction formation (look it up).
"And before we idolize women for their "deep spiritual connection" with us we need to understand that women, due to their evolutionary nature, are 1000 times more materialistic than men. Fulfillment is a euphemism for access to resources, especially pronounced after the honeymoon phase has faded away. " Don't implicate the rest of us in this when its just a few and yourself. Your motives are known and you sound awfully jaded.
Either you're trolling, or trying to find an outlet to expose your distorted, mysoginistic vitriol (probably having been the victim one of these said women).
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 0:19:52 GMT
I'm not sure who mentioned a stable relationship. I said she was fulfilled in the relationship. Fulfilled does not equate to stable and it doesn't mean that both people in the relationship are fulfilled. Fulfilled meaning that she is happy in what the relationship is.
Please point out in your chart where cheating happens in marriages because of low income. I'm sure if you hold me to the standard of my examples that are real people shouldn't matter in my opinion on the chart, that you could break down the chart to hypergamy without using any type of speculation, "would if's", or "maybes". Your chart does point out something important that this chart points out:
1. This is first marriage 2. Less than half of divorces end because of finances.
That means that there may be a link in age that plays into it, since these are likely young marriages. It also means that race plays into it. It doesn't necessarily mean hypergamy, but if you have a race of people that come from broken homes, perhaps it's not unusual to think that not being with someone anymore than to sticking out "for richer or for poor". That chart is flawed for any argument that you have to make for hypergamy since it doesn't break down the data enough but gives you more of an insight to cultural and perhaps religion.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 0:31:15 GMT
I'm not sure who mentioned a stable relationship. I said she was fulfilled in the relationship. Fulfilled does not equate to stable and it doesn't mean that both people in the relationship are fulfilled. Fulfilled meaning that she is happy in what the relationship is. Please point out in your chart where cheating happens in marriages because of low income. I'm sure if you hold me to the standard of my examples that are real people shouldn't matter in my opinion on the chart, that you could break down the chart to hypergamy without using any type of speculation, "would if's", or "maybes". Your chart does point out something important that this chart points out: 1. This is first marriage 2. Less than half of divorces end because of finances. That means that there may be a link in age that plays into it, since these are likely young marriages. It also means that race plays into it. It doesn't necessarily mean hypergamy, but if you have a race of people that come from broken homes, perhaps it's not unusual to think that not being with someone anymore than to sticking out "for richer or for poor". That chart is flawed for any argument that you have to make for hypergamy since it doesn't break down the data enough but gives you more of an insight to cultural and perhaps religion. The chart by itself is not proof that hypergamy exists. It is just one piece that shows divorce rate is higher in low income than in high income families. Now, as you said fulfillment makes couples stay together. Knowing that 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman, is it fair to say that women are more fulfilled in higher income families across all races depicted by the chart?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 0:48:23 GMT
The chart by itself is not proof that hypergamy exists. It is just one piece that shows divorce rate is higher in low income than in high income families. Now, as you said fulfillment makes couples stay together. Knowing that 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman, is it fair to say that women are more fulfilled in higher income families across all races depicted by the chart? No. Across all races, less than half in every divorce ends because of financial issues. Considering that 20% of all divorces are initiated by the man, brings down that number even more. How much does the chart break down men that file for divorce are for financial issues? Is it possible that the percentage of men that file for divorce for financial reasons outweigh the number of women that file for divorce because of financial reasons across all races? There are too many questions that your chart won't answer, and anything that you may be reading into it without that data is just confirmation bias.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 1:08:34 GMT
The chart by itself is not proof that hypergamy exists. It is just one piece that shows divorce rate is higher in low income than in high income families. Now, as you said fulfillment makes couples stay together. Knowing that 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman, is it fair to say that women are more fulfilled in higher income families across all races depicted by the chart? No. Across all races, less than half in every divorce ends because of financial issues. Considering that 20% of all divorces are initiated by the man, brings down that number even more. How much does the chart break down men that file for divorce are for financial issues? Is it possible that the percentage of men that file for divorce for financial reasons outweigh the number of women that file for divorce because of financial reasons across all races? There are too many questions that your chart won't answer, and anything that you may be reading into it without that data is just confirmation bias. Where do you get the information that only half or less than half of all divorces are because of financial reasons?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 1:11:48 GMT
No. Across all races, less than half in every divorce ends because of financial issues. Considering that 20% of all divorces are initiated by the man, brings down that number even more. How much does the chart break down men that file for divorce are for financial issues? Is it possible that the percentage of men that file for divorce for financial reasons outweigh the number of women that file for divorce because of financial reasons across all races? There are too many questions that your chart won't answer, and anything that you may be reading into it without that data is just confirmation bias. Where do you get the information that only half or less than half of all divorces are because of financial reasons? Your chart. Okay...I'll correct my statement. Less than half of all first marriages that end in divorce within the first ten years end because of financial reasons. Better?
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 1:16:51 GMT
Where do you get the information that only half or less than half of all divorces are because of financial reasons? Your chart. Okay...I'll correct my statement. Less than half of all first marriages that end in divorce within the first ten years end because of financial reasons. Better? I fail to see how you extract that out of the chart. The chart does not show the reason for the divorce.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 1:43:54 GMT
Oops, I was mashing up other data with your chart. I had read an article a while back stating the same information that your chart has except that it said a bulk of those divorces were between the 4th and 8th year of marriage. Over 50% of those divorces happen because of cheating and that is usually followed by not being prepared to be married. The fact that the majority of first marriages happen somewhere in the participants 20s, it would more likely be that since 50+% marriages end because of cheating and the following is because of immaturity, that less than half of marriages end because of financial issues. Hypergamy isn't the issue.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 2:56:56 GMT
Oops, I was mashing up other data with your chart. I had read an article a while back stating the same information that your chart has except that it said a bulk of those divorces were between the 4th and 8th year of marriage. Over 50% of those divorces happen because of cheating and that is usually followed by not being prepared to be married. The fact that the majority of first marriages happen somewhere in the participants 20s, it would more likely be that since 50+% marriages end because of cheating and the following is because of immaturity, that less than half of marriages end because of financial issues. Hypergamy isn't the issue. Ok, so now that you got a better grasp of this chart, and according to your statement that break ups and divorces happen because of unfulfilment, is it now fair to say that fullmillment is more seen in higher income families across all races depicted by THIS chart?
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 3:21:57 GMT
Lol this is still going on while I’m killing it at the gym
Lotta meaningless mental masterbation
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 3:26:10 GMT
Oops, I was mashing up other data with your chart. I had read an article a while back stating the same information that your chart has except that it said a bulk of those divorces were between the 4th and 8th year of marriage. Over 50% of those divorces happen because of cheating and that is usually followed by not being prepared to be married. The fact that the majority of first marriages happen somewhere in the participants 20s, it would more likely be that since 50+% marriages end because of cheating and the following is because of immaturity, that less than half of marriages end because of financial issues. Hypergamy isn't the issue. Ok, so now that you got a better grasp of this chart, and according to your statement that break ups and divorces happen because of unfulfilment, is it now fair to say that fullmillment is more seen in higher income families across all races dedicated by THIS chart? Again, no. How do we know that it isn't fulfillment that is keeping a marriage together as opposed to having too much to lose if you were to leave? If you are unhappy in a relationship and that relationship happens to be impoverished, then why stay? If you are unhappy in a relationship that could afford more material things, there is incentive to stay if leaving would cause one to not be able to afford the same lifestyle. Remember, the subject of the post is "Girl who cheat, what to do?" My point before the chart and now after the chart is that women tend to not cheat if they are fulfilled in a relationship. If they are not fulfilled, then they are to do things that will affect the relationship adversely. Your only argument is that an unfulfilled woman will divorce someone and finance may play into it. Regardless of that, it's still a woman that IS NOT happy in the marriage. So can you please point out how fulfilled women are subject to hypergamy? I don't care if it's a real life example or anecdotal.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 3:27:17 GMT
Ok, so now that you got a better grasp of this chart, and according to your statement that break ups and divorces happen because of unfulfilment, is it now fair to say that fullmillment is more seen in higher income families across all races dedicated by THIS chart? Again, no. How do we know that it isn't fulfillment that is keeping a marriage together as opposed to having too much to lose if you were to leave? If you are unhappy in a relationship and that relationship happens to be impoverished, then why stay? If you are unhappy in a relationship that could afford more material things, there is incentive to stay if leaving would cause one to not be able to afford the same lifestyle. Remember, the subject of the post is "Girl who cheat, what to do?" My point before the chart and now after the chart is that women tend to not cheat if they are fulfilled in a relationship. If they are not fulfilled, then they are to do things that will affect the relationship adversely. Your only argument is that an unfulfilled woman will divorce someone and finance may play into it. Regardless of that, it's still a woman that IS NOT happy in the marriage. So can you please point out how fulfilled women are subject to hypergamy? I don't care if it's a real life example or anecdotal. Why waste your time these mental gymnastics? Lol I mean if you’re bored I get it
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 3:40:31 GMT
Ok, so now that you got a better grasp of this chart, and according to your statement that break ups and divorces happen because of unfulfilment, is it now fair to say that fullmillment is more seen in higher income families across all races dedicated by THIS chart? Again, no. How do we know that it isn't fulfillment that is keeping a marriage together as opposed to having too much to lose if you were to leave? If you are unhappy in a relationship and that relationship happens to be impoverished, then why stay? If you are unhappy in a relationship that could afford more material things, there is incentive to stay if leaving would cause one to not be able to afford the same lifestyle. Remember, the subject of the post is "Girl who cheat, what to do?" My point before the chart and now after the chart is that women tend to not cheat if they are fulfilled in a relationship. If they are not fulfilled, then they are to do things that will affect the relationship adversely. Your only argument is that an unfulfilled woman will divorce someone and finance may play into it. Regardless of that, it's still a woman that IS NOT happy in the marriage. So can you please point out how fulfilled women are subject to hypergamy? I don't care if it's a real life example or anecdotal. You are the one that said the reason break ups and divorces happen is lack of fulfillment . So now you're saying that's not the case anymore. OK. You're proving my point. She'll tolerate unhappiness and lack of "fulfillment" if the money is good and she can't find better options (My original comment under this thread). If she's low income, however, it's easier to monkey branch and find "fulfillment".
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 3:44:44 GMT
Prince you’re the inspiration for next Metallica song “the turd that wouldn’t flush” it has a 10 minute bass solo
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 4:00:39 GMT
Again, no. How do we know that it isn't fulfillment that is keeping a marriage together as opposed to having too much to lose if you were to leave? If you are unhappy in a relationship and that relationship happens to be impoverished, then why stay? If you are unhappy in a relationship that could afford more material things, there is incentive to stay if leaving would cause one to not be able to afford the same lifestyle. Remember, the subject of the post is "Girl who cheat, what to do?" My point before the chart and now after the chart is that women tend to not cheat if they are fulfilled in a relationship. If they are not fulfilled, then they are to do things that will affect the relationship adversely. Your only argument is that an unfulfilled woman will divorce someone and finance may play into it. Regardless of that, it's still a woman that IS NOT happy in the marriage. So can you please point out how fulfilled women are subject to hypergamy? I don't care if it's a real life example or anecdotal. You are the one that said the reason break ups and divorces happen is lack of fulfillment . So now you're saying that's not the case anymore. OK. You're proving my point. She'll tolerate unhappiness and lack of "fulfillment" if the money is good and she can't find better options (My original comment under this thread). If she's low income, however, it's easier to monkey branch and find "fulfillment". Again...the title of this thread is "GIRL WHO CHEAT, WHAT TO DO?"Let's break down the title. "Girl who cheat" -> Unfulfilled. I don't care what the reason that she is unfulfilled, she just is. He may be boring, so she may cheat. He may be terrible in bed, so she may cheat. He may not appreciate her, so she may cheat. He may neglect her, so she may cheat. He may be overly possessive, so she may cheat. He may be needy, so she may cheat. He may be broke, so she may cheat. She may be in the relationship just because she fears repercussions of a breakup, so she may cheat. All of these things affect her happiness in the relationship. If she is unhappy in the relationship she may cheat. She may piss in his beer. She may break up with him. She may divorce him. The point is, if low income is something that will cause her to be unfulfilled and easier to get her to monkey branch, then she'll do it. "What to do?" -> Whatever you want but you shouldn't try to steal her away from him in order to be in a relationship with her. Now back to my question. Can you point out how fulfilled women can be subject to hypergamy? Answer that question. Don't go back and argue what I've said in this post. If you want to argue my points above, do it after you answer my question.
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