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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 4:09:46 GMT
You are the one that said the reason break ups and divorces happen is lack of fulfillment . So now you're saying that's not the case anymore. OK. You're proving my point. She'll tolerate unhappiness and lack of "fulfillment" if the money is good and she can't find better options (My original comment under this thread). If she's low income, however, it's easier to monkey branch and find "fulfillment". Again...the title of this thread is "GIRL WHO CHEAT, WHAT TO DO?"Let's break down the title. "Girl who cheat" -> Unfulfilled. I don't care what the reason that she is unfulfilled, she just is. He may be boring, so she may cheat. He may be terrible in bed, so she may cheat. He may not appreciate her, so she may cheat. He may neglect her, so she may cheat. He may be overly possessive, so she may cheat. He may be needy, so she may cheat. He may be broke, so she may cheat. She may be in the relationship just because she fears repercussions of a breakup, so she may cheat. All of these things affect her happiness in the relationship. If she is unhappy in the relationship she may cheat. She may piss in his beer. She may break up with him. She may divorce him. The point is, if low income is something that will cause her to be unfulfilled and easier to get her to monkey branch, then she'll do it. "What to do?" -> Whatever you want but you shouldn't try to steal her away from him in order to be in a relationship with her. Now back to my question. Can you point out how fulfilled women can be subject to hypergamy? Answer that question. Don't go back and argue what I've said in this post. If you want to argue my points above, do it after you answer my question. Seems like we keep going back and forth between the the title of this thread and the general idea of the female nature. I'm pretty sure the chart I posted was not based on this thread. Can you tell me why divorce rate is lower in high income families and higher in low income families? In other words, why is "fulfillment" achieved more easily in high income families?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 4:17:10 GMT
Again...the title of this thread is "GIRL WHO CHEAT, WHAT TO DO?"Let's break down the title. "Girl who cheat" -> Unfulfilled. I don't care what the reason that she is unfulfilled, she just is. He may be boring, so she may cheat. He may be terrible in bed, so she may cheat. He may not appreciate her, so she may cheat. He may neglect her, so she may cheat. He may be overly possessive, so she may cheat. He may be needy, so she may cheat. He may be broke, so she may cheat. She may be in the relationship just because she fears repercussions of a breakup, so she may cheat. All of these things affect her happiness in the relationship. If she is unhappy in the relationship she may cheat. She may piss in his beer. She may break up with him. She may divorce him. The point is, if low income is something that will cause her to be unfulfilled and easier to get her to monkey branch, then she'll do it. "What to do?" -> Whatever you want but you shouldn't try to steal her away from him in order to be in a relationship with her. Now back to my question. Can you point out how fulfilled women can be subject to hypergamy? Answer that question. Don't go back and argue what I've said in this post. If you want to argue my points above, do it after you answer my question. Seems like we keep going back and forth between the the title of this thread and the general idea of the female nature. I'm pretty sure the chart I posted was not based on this thread. Can you tell me why divorce rate is lower in high income families and higher in low income families? In other words, why is "fulfillment" achieved more easily in high income families? You are now, officially, full of shit. I asked you to answer a question and you refuse to do it even though I've answered your questions and now you are asking me the same questions. I know why you refuse and that's because you can't.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 4:22:27 GMT
Seems like we keep going back and forth between the the title of this thread and the general idea of the female nature. I'm pretty sure the chart I posted was not based on this thread. Can you tell me why divorce rate is lower in high income families and higher in low income families? In other words, why is "fulfillment" achieved more easily in high income families? You are now, officially, full of shit. I asked you to answer a question and you refuse to do it even though I've answered your questions and now you are asking me the same questions. I know why you refuse and that's because you can't. Ever hear the Asian proverb the empty wagon makes the most noise?
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 4:26:53 GMT
Seems like we keep going back and forth between the the title of this thread and the general idea of the female nature. I'm pretty sure the chart I posted was not based on this thread. Can you tell me why divorce rate is lower in high income families and higher in low income families? In other words, why is "fulfillment" achieved more easily in high income families? You are now, officially, full of shit. I asked you to answer a question and you refuse to do it even though I've answered your questions and now you are asking me the same questions. I know why you refuse and that's because you can't. I did answer your question. Many times in fact. "Fulfilled" women are the ones that can't find a better option. I don't see the necessity to use foul language though.
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Post by neo87 on Oct 16, 2018 4:33:00 GMT
Hey Prince, one point is income (typically) ties to education level. Someone with a higher level of education, is more likely able to choose better when it comes to finding a husband/wife. Education (generally) correlates with how someone makes these choices. Thats why its rarer to find a doctor with a bigger family than his income can provide for, than a guy at McDonalds who has kids he cant feed. If you look it up, you'll see that higher age when married, education and income usually reduces the likelihood of divorce.
Also, you have to take into account that a low income level means added stress, which can strain a marriage. To echo Jack's story, I have a coworker who just a month ago initiated a divorce against her husband. Their once very profitable business went sideways a few years ago. He stayed with it, she entered the workforce. Creditors are chasing them and they're on the brink of foreclosure. She initiated the divorce because he'd stay home all day and complain abt how she needed to do more after working a 9 to 5. She tried doing more, and finally left him. Right after she served him the papers (they still live together with kids), the money got better for him and he's on track to make good money for him. She's still leaving him, planning to move to an apt with her kids, and gets hit up by other guys all the time and refuses. She's not trying to jump to a richer dude.
An anecdote, yes, but you cant start at a conclusion and find evidence for it. It sounds like you believe this hypergamy stuff, and use the "evidence" to prove it. For your chart that shows divorce rates decreasing as income increases, you have to consider what attributes lower income people have vs higher income people, instead of jumping to "cheating is easier for low income people." With most things, you have to consider other factors. Women are more likely to report a crime, to donate to charity, to seek professional help, and yes to initiate a divorce. But those stats are one part of it, you have to sit down and consider WHY, from a non biased standpoint. I wont hear that women are more likely to seek a therapist and think its because they want attention. I'd consider that they're socialized differently than men, and more encouraged to talk about their emotions.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 4:44:52 GMT
You are now, officially, full of shit. I asked you to answer a question and you refuse to do it even though I've answered your questions and now you are asking me the same questions. I know why you refuse and that's because you can't. I did answer your question. Many times in fact. "Fulfilled" women are the ones that can't find a better option. I don't see the necessity to use foul language though. Then I must have ignored it because it's hard to believe that is a serious answer because it is a false cause fallacy. You argue with someone who has told you that guys with more money couldn't steal his girl away and you would call that a better option because of finances. You argue with a guy that is educated and licensed to work as a therapist and specializes with couples and he's telling you that you're wrong. I can't find the language other than you are full of shit. You can't say something is in the nature of a woman and then not be able to back it up with examples and then give a bullshit excuse. I'm about to give you the Arch Stanton Award.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 5:12:24 GMT
I did answer your question. Many times in fact. "Fulfilled" women are the ones that can't find a better option. I don't see the necessity to use foul language though. Then I must have ignored it because it's hard to believe that is a serious answer because it is a false cause fallacy. You argue with someone who has told you that guys with more money couldn't steal his girl away and you would call that a better option because of finances. You argue with a guy that is educated and licensed to work as a therapist and specializes with couples and he's telling you that you're wrong. I can't find the language other than you are full of shit. You can't say something is in the nature of a woman and then not be able to back it up with examples and then give a bullshit excuse. I'm about to give you the Arch Stanton Award. In other words, you too make a living out of this and would starve if something were to shake it.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 5:29:43 GMT
Then I must have ignored it because it's hard to believe that is a serious answer because it is a false cause fallacy. You argue with someone who has told you that guys with more money couldn't steal his girl away and you would call that a better option because of finances. You argue with a guy that is educated and licensed to work as a therapist and specializes with couples and he's telling you that you're wrong. I can't find the language other than you are full of shit. You can't say something is in the nature of a woman and then not be able to back it up with examples and then give a bullshit excuse. I'm about to give you the Arch Stanton Award. In other words, you too make a living out of this mindset and would starve if something were to shake it. What are you talking about? Experience and education as opposed to your response of "research hypergamy"? I told you that I believe hypergamy is real but a certain condition has to exist for it to be a factor. You just say all women are hypergamous because it's evolution and nature but you can't point out an example to prove your point. Guys like you, that we know has done dumb stuff with women, focus on what's wrong with women rather than what's wrong with himself. If a woman leaves because you don't have enough money, then it is more likely that what attracted her to you no longer exists now (or has normalized), ever existed, or you have proven that you don't have the drive and the reality settles in that you have nothing to offer her except a dick (maybe). If unconditional hypergamy existed in all women because of nature then a woman will always go to the guy with more money. That has been proven wrong over and over again.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 5:38:18 GMT
In other words, you too make a living out of this mindset and would starve if something were to shake it. What are you talking about? Experience and education as opposed to your response of "research hypergamy"? I told you that I believe hypergamy is real but a certain condition has to exist for it to be a factor. You just say all women are hypergamous because it's evolution and nature but you can't point out an example to prove your point. Guys like you, that we know has done dumb stuff with women, focus on what's wrong with women rather than what's wrong with himself. If a woman leaves because you don't have enough money, then it is more likely that what attracted her to you no longer exists now (or has normalized), ever existed, or you have proven that you don't have the drive and the reality settles in that you have nothing to offer her except a dick (maybe). If unconditional hypergamy existed in all women because of nature then a woman will always go to the guy with more money. That has been proven wrong over and over again. Education? You can't interpret a simple chart. You have the nerve to tell me you and your teammates here are actually educated?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 6:01:10 GMT
What are you talking about? Experience and education as opposed to your response of "research hypergamy"? I told you that I believe hypergamy is real but a certain condition has to exist for it to be a factor. You just say all women are hypergamous because it's evolution and nature but you can't point out an example to prove your point. Guys like you, that we know has done dumb stuff with women, focus on what's wrong with women rather than what's wrong with himself. If a woman leaves because you don't have enough money, then it is more likely that what attracted her to you no longer exists now (or has normalized), ever existed, or you have proven that you don't have the drive and the reality settles in that you have nothing to offer her except a dick (maybe). If unconditional hypergamy existed in all women because of nature then a woman will always go to the guy with more money. That has been proven wrong over and over again. Education? You can't interpret a simple chart. You have the nerve to tell me you and your teammates here are actually educated? Is that what you have? Let's just go with that statement. Education...n2 works in the field that you are theorizing about. Who would you believe on this subject? Experience...one of my ex's had all sorts of celebrities trying to get her. Much more money and status than me but instead wanted to come home to me. Current girl that I'm dealing with...has this rich dude that is a movie producer (mostly b list and washed up actors) chasing her but she wants to be with me...experience. You..."research hypergamy". Not even, "here are some books on hypergamy" or "here's Dr. H.P Ergamy PHD and here is his course on hypergamy" and here is a chart that may or may not have anything to do with hypergamy. Absolutely no examples or experience to prove your point. You are full of shit. Now you want to move to resort to insulting me and making a mistake on a chart because I know more about the chart than you do and added some information that is above what you know. But since you are a smart guy, I'm sure you've considered that there is a racial and religious overtone that affects your chart data and has to be taken into consideration. I'm sure that you have taken into account that once a man is above middle class, he is less likely to marry because he has more to lose if things don't work out and that affects the numbers there. I'm sure you realize that this chart is based on a first marriage and that is far more important than the economic class when parsing that data. But you want to say that unconditional hypergamy is in a woman's nature.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 6:24:32 GMT
When you say N2, are you talking about the same person who also happens to be a moderator who edited one of my comments with a "cock sucking comment" to make it look like I wrote that I like sucking dicks?
Are you talking about the same professional?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 6:45:31 GMT
When you say N2, are you talking about the same person who also happens to be a moderator who edited one of my comments with a "cock sucking comment" to make it look like I wrote it? Are you talking about the same professional? I don't know if he did or didn't do that to you. I'm just saying that I know what field he works in and he has expertise in the area that we are talking about. Instead of doing whatever you can to avoid the topic, why not stay on it. Why not give an example of how you were with a girl and she was so completely happy with you but some guy came along and took her just because he had more money than you. Or give an example of real research on the topic of hypergamy. Allow for me to be proven wrong based on data specified on the subject instead using a chart that at best gives anecdotal information. I don't mind being wrong and enjoy learning things that I am not aware of. I don't do well with "you'll find the proof if you research it." If you have done the research and found the proof on the subject, please let me know where that information can be found. Give me a research paper that says that women monkey branch to the man with the most resources if they are in a relationship that satisfies them. That couldn't be a hard thing to do if you have done it already.
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Post by saddog on Oct 16, 2018 6:52:12 GMT
When you say N2, are you talking about the same person who also happens to be a moderator who edited one of my comments with a "cock sucking comment" to make it look like I wrote that I like sucking dicks? Are you talking about the same professional? Hahahahah, oh man that was so funny. How I miss that?! Are you trying to correlate a seduction forum with his daytime job, to discredit him. Man..wtf. All the falacies was used here to try to defend hypergamy(?), If you have such strong belief you should be more preperad to talk about It. Not something from Incels/redpill reddit community Its like a catholic that doesnt read the bible.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 7:13:53 GMT
When you say N2, are you talking about the same person who also happens to be a moderator who edited one of my comments with a "cock sucking comment" to make it look like I wrote it? Are you talking about the same professional? I don't know if he did or didn't do that to you. I'm just saying that I know what field he works in and he has expertise in the area that we are talking about. Instead of doing whatever you can to avoid the topic, why not stay on it. Why not give an example of how you were with a girl and she was so completely happy with you but some guy came along and took her just because he had more money than you. Or give an example of real research on the topic of hypergamy. Allow for me to be proven wrong based on data specified on the subject instead using a chart that at best gives anecdotal information. I don't mind being wrong and enjoy learning things that I am not aware of. I don't do well with "you'll find the proof if you research it." If you have done the research and found the proof on the subject, please let me know where that information can be found. Give me a research paper that says that women monkey branch to the man with the most resources if they are in a relationship that satisfies them. That couldn't be a hard thing to do if you have done it already. The chart I gave you is not anecdotal. It's statistics. What you've given me so far, however, including the history of your past relationships is what's called anecdotal. You don't want to be proven wrong. That's why you refuse to answer a simple question about the chart. No woman has ever left me for a wealthier man. There are a number of things I know about without having experienced them. Have you ever died of cancer to know cancer exists? Do you really need to be on Pluto to know about its surface temperature?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 7:31:57 GMT
I don't know if he did or didn't do that to you. I'm just saying that I know what field he works in and he has expertise in the area that we are talking about. Instead of doing whatever you can to avoid the topic, why not stay on it. Why not give an example of how you were with a girl and she was so completely happy with you but some guy came along and took her just because he had more money than you. Or give an example of real research on the topic of hypergamy. Allow for me to be proven wrong based on data specified on the subject instead using a chart that at best gives anecdotal information. I don't mind being wrong and enjoy learning things that I am not aware of. I don't do well with "you'll find the proof if you research it." If you have done the research and found the proof on the subject, please let me know where that information can be found. Give me a research paper that says that women monkey branch to the man with the most resources if they are in a relationship that satisfies them. That couldn't be a hard thing to do if you have done it already. The chart I gave you is not anecdotal. It's statistics. What you've given me so far, however, including the history of your past relationships is what's called anecdotal. You don't want to be proven wrong. That's why you refuse to answer a simple question about the chart. No woman has ever left me for a wealthier man. There are a number of thing I know about without having experienced them. Have you ever died of cancer to know cancer exists? Do you really need to be on Pluto to know about its surface temperature? What is it with you and your anecdote fetish? It is anecdotal evidence because it's not a chart that can validate your claims that hypergamy exists and even you admitted to that. That is pretty much the definition of anecdotal evidence. You instead call it a piece to a puzzle, but you've only provided one piece without any other pieces. I answered your question about the chart in multiple posts in this thread, but you are ignoring it. And if you want another answer, NO IT DOES NOT INDICATE HYPERGAMY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER VARIABLES THAT ARE IN PLAY. If someone wants to believe hypergamy exists because of that chart, again, then it is confirmation bias because of the lack of data. There is a huge difference between I don't think I'm wrong, which is the case here, as opposed to I don't want to be proven wrong. If I'm wrong, fine, at least I'd be educated on hypergamy and humility. You can do that simply by showing your work. No woman has ever left you for a wealthier man, so you can't verify hypergamy by experience. You cannot verify hypergamy academically. Unlike your comparison of cancer, I know it exists because it has been studied and identified. Unconditional hypergamy, as you suggest, has not been proven to exist. In fact it has been proven that it doesn't exist. My anecdote "fetish" comes by you saying that this: "Anecdote again? I thought this was a logical discussion." I'm going to hold you to the same standards that you hold others to. I'm sure that you don't want to be viewed as a hypocrite.
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