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Post by maestro on Oct 10, 2020 21:56:28 GMT
Today I went out, and went to go visit an old friend, a woman. The funny thing is last time I met with her I practiced my DHV material on her. I basically told two DHV stories on her, and thought nothing of it, just practicing. Now, I saw her again and practiced two routines on her, so that's four in total. After the routines she came and sat right next to me, with her leg rubbing against mine. My point is DHV routines really work, if you use them. After that I didn't have more DHV routines and I felt like I needed more, I could've used Mystery's exotic girlfriend routine but I couldn't really lie in front of my friend. Anyways, my point is if I would have had more "pre-selection" gambits, I would've won. Sucks. Luckily I thought of one more while out I can use. Here it is. "I went to a Stripclub and I walked in and one of the strippers was like "Hey Teddy, how are you doing?!" I didn't here her, I just went to have a smoke but later on she approached me and said "Hey you are like a teddy bear, I love that, I said it before but you didn't hear me, Teddyy, I love you" and that's what she said, she loved me as Teddy" So that's a routine of an exotic dances loving me as Teddy, it's short but along with my other routines it works. DHV stories really work, if you use them.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 11, 2020 18:16:10 GMT
Let's think this through with the old friend. You are saying this:
1. You knew her already 2. You did DHV routines with her before 3. You did DHV routines again on your meet 4. She responded positively to your DHV routines (rubbing your leg with hers) 5. You ran out of stories 6. You believe if you had more stories it would have "won"
Do you think that it is possible that this girl was waiting on you to take action and instead you were concentrating on stories? If a girl rubs her leg against my leg, the last thing I'm going to do is tell a story unless it's a story about the last girl that rubbed against my leg like that.
You are going to have a hard time if you don't act on what you are getting from a woman in the moment as opposed to having a game plan that you need for her to follow in order for you to proceed. She was rubbing against your fucking leg! In PUA terminology, she was doing kino on you and you couldn't even match the energy she was giving you. She was playing her role in the attraction game and you weren't. She knew you were interested. She gave you permission to proceed and you didn't follow through. Women tend to find that unattractive and you'll lose what attraction that you've built.
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Post by maestro on Oct 11, 2020 22:02:11 GMT
That's not what happened, sir. From the DHV routines I told I got some interest, meaning she came in proximity to me, and her leg was rubbing on mine. I went into A3 by asking her what she did, I IOI'd her for that and then IOD'd to create comfort and safety and then at that point I should have used one of the gambit eg. "What do you got going for you more than your looks?" classical A3, and if she would have bit, great. But I felt it was too soon, I felt I needed another DHV story. We were all sitting in a group so at that point I could've owned the whole group and told my DHV story, then I would have gotten more interest. Then I could go back into A3. Arm-in-arm when I have the chance, hugging, sitting on lap maybe, maybe haha. There you go. then it would be just handling comfort after qualifying her, however you need lots of stories to own the group. If you can't isolate you mine as well be throwing in DHV's so she's getting more attracted to you as time goes on. That's what happened.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 11, 2020 23:25:51 GMT
That's not what happened, sir. From the DHV routines I told I got some interest, meaning she came in proximity to me, and her leg was rubbing on mine. I went into A3 by asking her what she did, I IOI'd her for that and then IOD'd to create comfort and safety and then at that point I should have used one of the gambit eg. "What do you got going for you more than your looks?" classical A3, and if she would have bit, great. But I felt it was too soon, I felt I needed another DHV story. We were all sitting in a group so at that point I could've owned the whole group and told my DHV story, then I would have gotten more interest. Then I could go back into A3. Arm-in-arm when I have the chance, hugging, sitting on lap maybe, maybe haha. There you go. then it would be just handling comfort after qualifying her, however you need lots of stories to own the group. If you can't isolate you mine as well be throwing in DHV's so she's getting more attracted to you as time goes on. That's what happened. You are not understanding what I'm saying to you. You didn't need anymore DHV stories. You had her and you didn't act. You said you couldn't isolate, so you may as well DHV. I say you could have been whispering in her ear and flirting to get an emotional response from her. You say that you needed to create comfort and safety. I say that you were wasting your time because she felt comfortable and safe enough to make physical contact with you. You talk about owning the group so you can have preselection. I would recommend that you own the girls interest. You are treating this as a linear thing and one size fits all and that's hurting your progress. You are giving more confidence to a system than you are giving to yourself. You had her in the position of making her feel like the group was nothing but background noise and while the moment was about her and you.
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Post by maestro on Oct 12, 2020 11:21:37 GMT
Dude, I tried to go into A3 at which point I would have Kino'd and qualified. But, she didn't bite which mean I needed more DHV stories, owning the group and pre-selection, then if I went into A3, it would have worked as well as the Kino.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 12, 2020 15:31:29 GMT
Dude, I tried to go into A3 at which point I would have Kino'd and qualified. But, she didn't bite which mean I needed more DHV stories, owning the group and pre-selection, then if I went into A3, it would have worked as well as the Kino. I had to go look A3 up to make sure that I knew where you were. You are missing the point that she was touching you and she was already into you. Maybe you can answer these questions: 1. What didn't she bite at? 2. If she is already into you, what is qualifying her going to do for you? 3. If she is already doing kino on you, why would you have to wait for "A3" to do kino to her? 4. What will preselection because of the group do when the girl has already shown interest? 5. How do you know it was the DHV stories is what caused her to have interest in you? 6. How did you come to the conclusion that you needed more DHV stories? I ask you these questions because you are using someone else's method. It's one thing to know the steps of the method but it's an entirely different thing to understand why the method is done. If you understand the "why" in all of this you'd see where your thinking is off. You'd see that you were way past the A phase and didn't likely need the C phase. I will admit to where I may be wrong in your situation and that's the part about her rubbing her leg against yours. If she had no choice but to sit that close to you, then we have a different story altogether.
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Post by maestro on Oct 12, 2020 15:38:39 GMT
When I say "rubbing" her leg on me, I mean she was just barely rubbing it against me, it was hardly sexual. But what I did notice is she wouldn't sit next to me and be responsive until after I told my stories which had DHV's in them. Qualifying her is neccessary, if all she's done is barely rubbed her leg on mine, I still have to tell her why I like her, find reasons that I like her. Kino can happen in A2, A3, anywhere in attraction and comfort. I needed more stories because she wasn't qualifying herself to me, you have to get to the point where she's jumping through your hoops and telling you qualities about herself, then you can IOI her for them.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 12, 2020 16:55:39 GMT
When I say "rubbing" her leg on me, I mean she was just barely rubbing it against me, it was hardly sexual. But what I did notice is she wouldn't sit next to me and be responsive until after I told my stories which had DHV's in them. Qualifying her is neccessary, if all she's done is barely rubbed her leg on mine, I still have to tell her why I like her, find reasons that I like her. Kino can happen in A2, A3, anywhere in attraction and comfort. I needed more stories because she wasn't qualifying herself to me, you have to get to the point where she's jumping through your hoops and telling you qualities about herself, then you can IOI her for them. I do get that the rubbing the leg is unnecessary information if the environment gave her no choice but to touch when she sat down but you included it in your description as if it were important. I'm not sure what to think about what you're saying because it all could boil down to either she was interested and you didn't act if your DHV stories are what got her next to you in the first place or you are guessing the reason she sat down next to you was because of the DHV stories as opposed to her just sitting down next to you. Either way, I think you are putting way too much thinking into the DHV stories and saying that they work without having anything to show for it more than a girl sitting down next to you. In a 9 step system, you are still on the second step declaring it a success when the system is telling you that she isn't attracted to you yet. I no way am I trying to burst your bubble because I appreciate how positive you are. I like the fact that you are trying. My problem with what you are doing is that you are waiting for permission to show a girl that you are attracted to her. That is the weakness of most guys that approach women. I've been around guys that try to sell themselves and jump through hoops just to get a girl to jump through hoops for them and that doesn't work too often. I've seen it when a guy tells stories and loses the girl to another guy while he's telling the stories. They lose out because their foundation is wrong. Their foundation is "I'm going to entertain you until you are attracted to me" instead of "I'm attracted to you and you won't find a better ride".
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Post by maestro on Oct 12, 2020 19:03:54 GMT
She gave me proximity, she sat down next to me and was not uncomfortable with the touch being there, that's an IOI, and I had been working the set previously, DHV material works. I'm not waiting for permission, I'm going indirect, I'm not showing interest until she has shown me interest with my stories and negs, if you need them. I asked her what she did for a living, after I got the IOI, and she answered, so I was moving into qualification, at that point I saw she needed a bit more attraction, but I was afraid to tell the story in front of my friend who knows me. Had I told the story, I would have gotten further. It's not about entertaining them, when you put DHV's into the story, the girl gets attracted if she's listening, this is a concept that I have a feeling you don't believe in.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 12, 2020 20:08:09 GMT
She gave me proximity, she sat down next to me and was not uncomfortable with the touch being there, that's an IOI, and I had been working the set previously, DHV material works. I'm not waiting for permission, I'm going indirect, I'm not showing interest until she has shown me interest with my stories and negs, if you need them. I asked her what she did for a living, after I got the IOI, and she answered, so I was moving into qualification, at that point I saw she needed a bit more attraction, but I was afraid to tell the story in front of my friend who knows me. Had I told the story, I would have gotten further. It's not about entertaining them, when you put DHV's into the story, the girl gets attracted if she's listening, this is a concept that I have a feeling you don't believe in. Remember, I was saying her sitting down there and being comfortable was her showing you interest. What I'm saying is that you have a girl that is actually interested and for some reason you feel that you need to qualify her. Again, she's already interested and you feel that you need to qualify her. One more time, she's interested and you feel that you need to qualify her. WHY WOULD YOU WASTE TIME QUALIFYING SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN YOU? WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE INDIRECT WITH SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN YOU? This is why women hate it when guys don't respond to the signals that they think are obvious. This is why so many guys talk themselves out of sex. She's not qualifying herself to you the way that you want her to. So fucking what? She's qualifying herself by showing that she's interested but for some reason, in your mind, she's not attracted enough for you to escalate. If she's demonstrating interest, get rid of your script and focus on escalation.
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Post by maestro on Oct 12, 2020 21:02:52 GMT
Yes, she's interested so you have to qualify her, you have to show her you are attracted to her besides her looks. Because after she is attracted to you, you still have to Qualify! This is basic Mystery Method mate. You still have to qualify her, and you may Kino escalate, which actually is put in A3 for a reason. I rather tell my story and watch her start to flirt with me even more, escalate Kino when theres a real window of escalation and then after attraction is done, shut it off and ask her questions about herself. That's how you play the game.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 12, 2020 21:53:51 GMT
Yes, she's interested so you have to qualify her, you have to show her you are attracted to her besides her looks. Because after she is attracted to you, you still have to Qualify! This is basic Mystery Method mate. You still have to qualify her, and you may Kino escalate, which actually is put in A3 for a reason. I rather tell my story and watch her start to flirt with me even more, escalate Kino when theres a real window of escalation and then after attraction is done, shut it off and ask her questions about herself. That's how you play the game. No, you don't have to qualify a woman to show her that you are attracted to her besides her looks. You don't even need to tell a woman why you are attracted to her and it's better that you stay away from telling her what else you are attracted to about her. I understand this is basic Mystery Method, but MM is for guys that really don't know how to approach. MM is for guys that are afraid of rejection. Even the guys that hung out with Mystery would tell you that he doesn't approach the way he writes about. I'm telling you that what you are doing is harder than what it needs to be and I'm saying that from experience. What I highlighted in yellow is the weak point. You pointed out that this girl sat next to you because she was interested. You knew that she was interested and you couldn't be in the moment with her. She would have been far more attracted to you if you would have demonstrated that you liked that she sat down next to you then you would have been if you told her a story. You telling a story is you talking about yourself. You being glad that a girl that is interested in you chose to be next to you is about you and her together. That is creating a connection. Connecting with a girl eliminates all of the other steps. You may not agree with me now, but keep approaching women the way that you do and you will realize that 80% of MM is a waste of time. You'll realize the entire comfort phase is wasted energy.
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 8:56:17 GMT
You do have to tell a woman you are attracted to her or interested. I believe in indirect game, because it works. Your right, he approaches using micro-calibration. "She would have been far more interested if you demonstrated that you liked that she sat down next to you" That's qualification! Except instead of saying you like her for sitting down next to you, which wouldn't work at all, that's newbie talk, you say something like, "I see that your the leader of your group; I like that, I find that very attractive". Once again a story is for the DHV's. Survival and Replication value. Connection is C1, which comes after you've indicated your interest in her. Connecting with a girl is for comfort but she still needs to feel special, qualification, your missing the foundation. I haven't mentioned how I approach? In this instance I was introduced to the girl and we were being social so I started in A2, comfort phase is not wasted as that is where the "connection" your talking about comes in.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 15:53:14 GMT
You do have to tell a woman you are attracted to her or interested. I believe in indirect game, because it works. Your right, he approaches using micro-calibration. "She would have been far more interested if you demonstrated that you liked that she sat down next to you" That's qualification! Except instead of saying you like her for sitting down next to you, which wouldn't work at all, that's newbie talk, you say something like, "I see that your the leader of your group; I like that, I find that very attractive". Once again a story is for the DHV's. Survival and Replication value. Connection is C1, which comes after you've indicated your interest in her. Connecting with a girl is for comfort but she still needs to feel special, qualification, your missing the foundation. I haven't mentioned how I approach? In this instance I was introduced to the girl and we were being social so I started in A2, comfort phase is not wasted as that is where the "connection" your talking about comes in. No, I wouldn't say that I like her because she sat next to me. I'd say that I liked the fact that she sat next to me. That's a huge difference but I do understand that you only did that so you can imply that I talk like a newbie. Nice try. Also, you don't have to tell a woman that you are attracted or interested in her and you shouldn't. Doing that allows her to know exactly where she stands with you and it removes the feeling of uncertainty and makes seduction more difficult. Demonstrating attraction keeps her in the moment and allows for anticipation and that creates tension. However, I'm glad that you are starting to see that by acknowledging that you liking that she sat next to you was her qualifying herself. With that understanding, you should get that there is no need for you to have to tell another story to get her to qualify herself. You were winning but you didn't take the win. You made the four DHV stories that you already told a wasted effort because you have nothing to show for it. You ignored the signals she gave you and tried to make her requalify herself. You are saying DHV worked but you walked away empty handed. I'm trying to tell you that you walked away empty handed because your seduction process was bullshit. You had her but you wanted to own the group so you could demonstrate higher value. It's ass backwards thinking because you demonstrate higher value to help you get the girl that you don't have and not the ones that are already interested. I know your problem and I saw it from the beginning. You are afraid of rejection. Your fear of rejection is why you like being indirect. Your goal for being indirect is to get the girl to take the role of the man and have her do the pursuing in the beginning. However, I also know that girls don't see you as attractive enough for them to take a risk at being rejected by you. Not a lot of guys have that kind of attractiveness, so there is no shame in that. You should be disappointed in yourself because you have all of these rules and could identify that a girl was showing interest and instead of taking advantage of that interest, you ran gambits. You made excuses for not getting this girl. Not being able to isolate was an excuse. Not having enough stories was an excuse. She wasn't qualifying herself was an excuse. All of those are excuses because you weren't confident enough in yourself to act on the signals that she gave you. You wanted to be sure that the signals were real but you wanted to be sure in a way that would allow you to protect your ego. You failed with this girl but you feel some sort of victory because she shown interest because of DHV stories? No man, you blew this completely and you need to look at it for what it really is.
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 16:43:41 GMT
Dude, I'm done. You obviously don't use MM so I'm not going to sit here and argue. I will keep posting field reports when I make progress, if you have advice related to the system, great otherwise just please stop.
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