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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 18:38:17 GMT
Dude, I'm done. You obviously don't use MM so I'm not going to sit here and argue. I will keep posting field reports when I make progress, if you have advice related to the system, great otherwise just please stop. I used MM when it first came out because guys were raving about it. I was already doing good with women and I thought it would help get better at it but it doesn't because it's full of landmines. That's why I'm trying to help you see that it's getting in your way. When you said... ...you got me involved because you didn't prove that it worked. You still haven't proved that it worked. You can talk about if you only had more stories then you would have gotten to A3, but that exposes another flaw in the system and that is if you run out of material it's over. Don't you see that you are saying "DHV routines really work, if you use them" and have absolutely no real proof that it worked? You didn't turn it into a date, you didn't turn it into a phone number, and you didn't turn it into sex. She didn't even bite according to you. That's not you making progress in this field report. That is you developing a bad habit. You are on a forum that is for picking up women. A lot of guys come to this forum and want to learn how to pickup women. When you say something works but the girl didn't bite, then it didn't really work. To say that it did work and you have nothing to show is a disservice to the guys that want to be good with women. If you only want guys to respond to your posts only if they use the same method as you then you are on the wrong forum. Maybe there's a forum dedicated to MM that is better suited for you. |
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 20:31:12 GMT
I proved that DHV routines work when she sat next to me and rubbed her leg on mine. The whole point I posted was because I didn't get as far as I could have, and you have yet to give me real advice, you've just been upset that I posted without having got "far enough" for you. It did work, she showed interest. I know allot of guys here use MM and they don't want some guy coming in and ranting and raving that there doing a disservice to the community because they post a field report, and are happy to see that this stuff can work. Dude, I'm not going to another forum, I'm going to keep posting my experiences and if you want to post fine, but please come back with constructive criticism and understand when I post I interpret my pickups through the lens of MM, otherwise it's hard for people to know where there at.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 21:30:45 GMT
You got constructive criticism but you weren't paying attention. I'm telling you that you wasted your time on DHV stories because she was already interested. I'm saying that you should have flirted with her and made the moment about you and her as opposed to trying to get her to listen to more stories because she was already interested. I'm saying that your focus on owning the group isn't helping you seduce her because she was already interested. I'm saying that you are too focused at staying on script as opposed to taking advantage of what's being given to you in the moment on a silver platter. Your response is you can't start A3 because you ran out of stories and you needed more. It's like she's given you the keys to the front door and you want to stand outside and knock because you're not sure that your welcome inside.
Now let's go back to her showing interest as proof that DHV worked. Her sitting next to you isn't proof that DHV stories worked. That is a false cause fallacy. You were trying to figure out why she was attracted to you and the only thing that you can think of is you told stories but that does mean that's what it is. In truth, her sitting next to you could be from any number of reasons and one could simply be is that you are her type. So no, you didn't prove a thing except that a girl sat next to you and then she went home.
I totally get that you post through the lens of MM but you are stuck in your own head and cockblocking yourself because of it. I'm trying to help you get out of that before you becomes part of your belief system.
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 21:45:55 GMT
You obviously don't believe in MM, that's fine. We can agree to disagree, your making allot of assumptions based on one paragraph, if you want me to understand, then speak in my language. Your trying to say your "method" is better while undermining the dude who spearheaded this whole seduction community.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 22:01:58 GMT
You obviously don't believe in MM, that's fine. We can agree to disagree, your making allot of assumptions based on one paragraph, if you want me to understand, then speak in my language. Your trying to say your "method" is better while undermining the dude who spearheaded this whole seduction community. I never said that I didn't believe in MM...that's you assuming. I'm telling you that you are doing it wrong. I'm telling you that you aren't taking advantage of what a girl is giving you. You can point everywhere else but you can't prove that the girl was interested because of stories that you told. BTW...you came to my house. You need to speak my language. |
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 22:10:20 GMT
You had to look up A3? Oh, this your house? I haven't noticed...
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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 22:16:34 GMT
You had to look up A3? Oh, this your house? I haven't noticed... Yes. I told you that I had to look it up to make sure we were on the same page. I told you that I used it when it first got popular. You haven't noticed that you were in my house? You should look at the picture next to your name. |
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 22:20:19 GMT
Very mature and funny of you mate
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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 22:39:23 GMT
Very mature and funny of you mate I bet you noticed now though, right? Look dude, I've been in the game long enough to know what I'm talking about. I've been in it so long that the years began with 199 when I started. I have enough success with women isn't a fluke. I've been on these forums long enough to spot guys that know what they're talking about and don't know what they're talking about. I know who you are and the level that you are at in this game. You need some consistent wins under your belt before you tell me what works and what doesn't. We can have a respectable conversation but if you start coming at me with that negative energy, like you did, I'll return that same energy while continuing to educate you on how to get women. Now that we got that out of the way...tell me where I'm wrong about how you didn't prove that your DHV stories actually worked. Don't leave any room for me to assume. |
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 22:50:13 GMT
Noticed what? I respect that you've been in the game for a long time. And I was not trying to go overboard, all I did was say that DHV stories work ,which I believe they do, I can feel the difference. When you say you know who I am, you me you know me in person? I have had some wins, but I'm working with MM to get better. And I didn't come at you with negative energy, I just tried to explain what happened.. I added things like "Pre-selection" into the stories I told, which is a big trigger, and I was telling stories to the whole group triggering the "Leader of men" attraction switch.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 13, 2020 23:17:48 GMT
Noticed what? I respect that you've been in the game for a long time. And I was not trying to go overboard, all I did was say that DHV stories work ,which I believe they do, I can feel the difference. When you say you know who I am, you me you know me in person? I have had some wins, but I'm working with MM to get better. And I didn't come at you with negative energy, I just tried to explain what happened.. I added things like "Pre-selection" into the stories I told, which is a big trigger, and I was telling stories to the whole group triggering the "Leader of men" attraction switch. You noticed that you are in my house...but we're passed that now. Again, you're not proving that your DHV stories worked and this is the most important thing. She sat next to you, but explain how that proves that it works. Feeling and believing isn't proof that it worked. I'll add more once you answer that question because I'm going to tie this all together for you. |
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Post by maestro on Oct 13, 2020 23:39:46 GMT
I believe it works, and I see it works. She showed specific interest after I embedded DHV's into my speech. We seem to differ in opinion of whether DHV's actually work.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 14, 2020 0:25:01 GMT
I believe it works, and I see it works. She showed specific interest after I embedded DHV's into my speech. We seem to differ in opinion of whether DHV's actually work. No, I never said that DHV didn't work. The question is if it really worked in this situation? Did her sitting next to you prove that it was the DHV stories? What did she do to show specific interest? I think you are not seeing the reality of the situation. I personally think there's an issue with confidence and you are relying on canned material to mitigate that. That's okay if you understand that's what you are doing. I think the canned material and MM is giving you confidence and it's coming across to the girl. That also explains why you didn't know what to do after you ran out of material and got stuck. You needed "A3" in your mind when all you really needed is to understand that this girl was into you. OP, most pickup stuff that is for sale is bullshit when it comes to routine. I've gone out and opened girls with "can I bite your shoulder?" and turned those into an ONS. There's no real trick to this stuff outside of expressing interest, not being socially retarded, and being confident. MM is okay when it comes to the skeleton of seduction but it doesn't show you how to be an attractive version of you. |
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Post by maestro on Oct 14, 2020 0:36:51 GMT
I think it did, I could feel the energy change, she was into it. I don't really used canned material, I have my own routines, I guess that's somewhat "canned". Yes, I "needed" A3, and maybe that's wrong, but that's the method I practice. I think that's cool you "opened" a girl directly like that and got an ONS, honestly amazing. I want to try direct too, I want to do what works. I just think MM is like, you wait 10 min. to hit on her while some do it right away. Also I think it can teach you to become a better you, just have to use it the right way.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 14, 2020 0:43:36 GMT
I think it did, I could feel the energy change, she was into it. I don't really used canned material, I have my own routines, I guess that's somewhat "canned". Yes, I "needed" A3, and maybe that's wrong, but that's the method I practice. I think that's cool you "opened" a girl directly like that and got an ONS, honestly amazing. I want to try direct too, I want to do what works. I just think MM is like, you wait 10 min. to hit on her while some do it right away. Also I think it can teach you to become a better you, just have to use it the right way. If you could feel the energy change and she was into it, why didn't you get at least a phone number out of it? |
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