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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 7:32:01 GMT
When you say N2, are you talking about the same person who also happens to be a moderator who edited one of my comments with a "cock sucking comment" to make it look like I wrote it? Are you talking about the same professional? I don't know if he did or didn't do that to you. I'm just saying that I know what field he works in and he has expertise in the area that we are talking about. Instead of doing whatever you can to avoid the topic, why not stay on it. Why not give an example of how you were with a girl and she was so completely happy with you but some guy came along and took her just because he had more money than you. Or give an example of real research on the topic of hypergamy. Allow for me to be proven wrong based on data specified on the subject instead using a chart that at best gives anecdotal information. I don't mind being wrong and enjoy learning things that I am not aware of. I don't do well with "you'll find the proof if you research it." If you have done the research and found the proof on the subject, please let me know where that information can be found. Give me a research paper that says that women monkey branch to the man with the most resources if they are in a relationship that satisfies them. That couldn't be a hard thing to do if you have done it already. I did do it. I don’t have to wear my professional hat here I’m off duty 😉
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 7:43:59 GMT
The chart I gave you is not anecdotal. It's statistics. What you've given me so far, however, including the history of your past relationships is what's called anecdotal. You don't want to be proven wrong. That's why you refuse to answer a simple question about the chart. No woman has ever left me for a wealthier man. There are a number of thing I know about without having experienced them. Have you ever died of cancer to know cancer exists? Do you really need to be on Pluto to know about its surface temperature? What is it with you and your anecdote fetish? It is anecdotal evidence because it's not a chart that can validate your claims that hypergamy exists and even you admitted to that. That is pretty much the definition of an anecdote. You instead call it a piece to a puzzle, but you've only provided one piece without any other pieces. I answered your question about the chart in multiple posts in this thread, but you are ignoring it. And if you want another answer, NO IT DOES NOT INDICATE HYPERGAMY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER VARIABLES THAT ARE IN PLAY. If someone wants to believe hypergamy exists because of that chart, again, then it is confirmation bias because of the lack of data. No woman has ever left you for a wealthier man, so you can't verify hypergamy by experience. You cannot verify hypergamy academically. Unlike your comparison of cancer, I know it exists because it has been studied and identified. Unconditional hypergamy, as you suggest, has not been proven to exist. In fact it has been proven that it doesn't exist. My anecdote "fetish" comes by you saying that this: "Anecdote again? I thought this was a logical discussion." I'm going to hold you to the same standards that you hold others to. I'm sure that you don't want to be viewed as a hypocrite. When it comes to the chart, you're not answering the simple question, but rather you're creating a straw man. You refuse to answer yes/no to such a simple question. The chart shows that divorce rate is significantly lower in high income families. If one believes the main cause of divorce is unfulfilment, then one must believe that fulfillment is highest among the high income families depicted By the chart. And yet, you contradict your own premise over and over again. Did you say hypocrite?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 7:55:35 GMT
It is anecdotal evidence because it's not a chart that can validate your claims that hypergamy exists and even you admitted to that. That is pretty much the definition of an anecdote. You instead call it a piece to a puzzle, but you've only provided one piece without any other pieces. I answered your question about the chart in multiple posts in this thread, but you are ignoring it. And if you want another answer, NO IT DOES NOT INDICATE HYPERGAMY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER VARIABLES THAT ARE IN PLAY. If someone wants to believe hypergamy exists because of that chart, again, then it is confirmation bias because of the lack of data. No woman has ever left you for a wealthier man, so you can't verify hypergamy by experience. You cannot verify hypergamy academically. Unlike your comparison of cancer, I know it exists because it has been studied and identified. Unconditional hypergamy, as you suggest, has not been proven to exist. In fact it has been proven that it doesn't exist. My anecdote "fetish" comes by you saying that this: "Anecdote again? I thought this was a logical discussion." I'm going to hold you to the same standards that you hold others to. I'm sure that you don't want to be viewed as a hypocrite. When it comes to the chart, you're not answering the simple question, but rather you're creating a straw man. You refuse to answer yes/no to such a simple question. The chart shows that divorce rate is significantly lower in high income families. If one believes the main cause of divorce is unfulfilment, then one must believe that fulfillment is highest among the high income families depicted By the chart. And yet, you contradict your own premise over and over again. Did you say hypocrite? I did answer the simple question with a "NO" and gave my reason for the answer. So you are being intellectually dishonest. Your second statement is another false cause fallacy or you don't know what fulfillment is (but hey, you said you didn't know what it was earlier). I'm getting tired of your accusations. Quote my contradictions to my premise. My only premise is that women won't cheat or divorce someone when they are are in a fulfilled relationship. I stick to that statement.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 7:58:05 GMT
2:32pm to 1am the next day and Prince is still going on. That's approximately 10.5 hours. Wonder how this guy gets anything done in life.
If he put 1/50th as much effort into women perhaps he'd have gotten laid by now and had a story to tell in the Journal section.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 8:10:02 GMT
When it comes to the chart, you're not answering the simple question, but rather you're creating a straw man. You refuse to answer yes/no to such a simple question. The chart shows that divorce rate is significantly lower in high income families. If one believes the main cause of divorce is unfulfilment, then one must believe that fulfillment is highest among the high income families depicted By the chart. And yet, you contradict your own premise over and over again. Did you say hypocrite? I did answer the simple question with a "NO" and gave my reason for the answer. So you are being intellectually dishonest. Your second statement is another false cause fallacy or you don't know what fulfillment is (but hey, you said you didn't know what it was earlier). I'm getting tired of your accusations. Quote my contradictions to my premise. My only premise is that women won't cheat or divorce someone when they are are in a fulfilled relationship. I stick to that statement. The only honest answer from someone who believes lack of fulfillment causes divorce and sees fewer divorces in a group would have been higher fulfillment in that group. But you refuse to give a direct answer because it would shake your whole world, beliefs and your career. Your "answer" was instead to create a straw man. And you've also used argumentum ad verecundiam to prove your points.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 8:10:39 GMT
Prince do you fall somewhere on the autism spectrum? Serious question.
Funny this guy's preoccupation with other people's careers and making a living.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 8:28:51 GMT
I did answer the simple question with a "NO" and gave my reason for the answer. So you are being intellectually dishonest. Your second statement is another false cause fallacy or you don't know what fulfillment is (but hey, you said you didn't know what it was earlier). I'm getting tired of your accusations. Quote my contradictions to my premise. My only premise is that women won't cheat or divorce someone when they are are in a fulfilled relationship. I stick to that statement. The only honest answer from someone who believes lack of fulfillment causes divorce and sees fewer divorces in a group would have been higher fulfillment in that group. But you refuse to give a direct answer because it would shake your whole world, beliefs and your career. Your "answer" was instead to create a straw man. And you've also used argumentum ad verecundiam to prove your points. Come on Prince, you don't know what my career is, so don't go throwing out "straw man" bullshit while pulling a straw man. At this point, you are being completely dishonest. I'm giving you my answer and you disagree, that's fine. Just remember, you were the one that said your chart didn't prove hypergamy. You were the one that said that your chart only proved divorce is higher in lower income families. I agree with both of those statements. I disagree with your notion of unconditional hypergamy. If you can prove your notion of unconditional hypergamy, it automatically proves my statement wrong when it comes to women won't monkey branch if they are satisfied with their relationship. I'm not sure how you can prove it, but that chart isn't the answer according to you.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 14:58:42 GMT
The only honest answer from someone who believes lack of fulfillment causes divorce and sees fewer divorces in a group would have been higher fulfillment in that group. But you refuse to give a direct answer because it would shake your whole world, beliefs and your career. Your "answer" was instead to create a straw man. And you've also used argumentum ad verecundiam to prove your points. Come on Prince, you don't know what my career is, so don't go throwing out "straw man" bullshit while pulling a straw man. At this point, you are being completely dishonest. I'm giving you my answer and you disagree, that's fine. Just remember, you were the one that said your chart didn't prove hypergamy. You were the one that said that your chart only proved divorce is higher in lower income families. I agree with both of those statements. I disagree with your notion of unconditional hypergamy. If you can prove your notion of unconditional hypergamy, it automatically proves my statement wrong when it comes to women won't monkey branch if they are satisfied with their relationship. I'm not sure how you can prove it, but that chart isn't the answer according to you. One thing the chart does prove, however, is that satisfaction and fulfillment are higher in higher income families compared to lower income families. That's according to your theory.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 15:07:25 GMT
LOL he can't let go
This guy's a nut.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 15:19:04 GMT
Come on Prince, you don't know what my career is, so don't go throwing out "straw man" bullshit while pulling a straw man. At this point, you are being completely dishonest. I'm giving you my answer and you disagree, that's fine. Just remember, you were the one that said your chart didn't prove hypergamy. You were the one that said that your chart only proved divorce is higher in lower income families. I agree with both of those statements. I disagree with your notion of unconditional hypergamy. If you can prove your notion of unconditional hypergamy, it automatically proves my statement wrong when it comes to women won't monkey branch if they are satisfied with their relationship. I'm not sure how you can prove it, but that chart isn't the answer according to you. One thing the chart does prove, however, is that satisfaction and fulfillment are higher in higher income families compared to lower income families. That's according to your theory. Whatever makes you feel better. Now, back to your statement. Where is the proof that women will always leave for a better male? Let's remind you of your original statement: "Means a woman will cheat on you and/or leave you if she finds a better male. Hypergamy in short. If a woman is not cheating on you or doesn't leave you it means you are the best male she can have. In other words she doesn't have any better options."
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 17:26:18 GMT
One thing the chart does prove, however, is that satisfaction and fulfillment are higher in higher income families compared to lower income families. That's according to your theory. Whatever makes you feel better. Now, back to your statement. Where is the proof that women will always leave for a better male? Let's remind you of your original statement: "Means a woman will cheat on you and/or leave you if she finds a better male. Hypergamy in short. If a woman is not cheating on you or doesn't leave you it means you are the best male she can have. In other words she doesn't have any better options."Just imagine getting involved with a woman and always having on the forefront of your mind “until what point will I be her best option?”. Wow imagine what an insecure relationship you’ll create and the self fulfilling prophecy that’ll follow.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 18:32:30 GMT
One thing the chart does prove, however, is that satisfaction and fulfillment are higher in higher income families compared to lower income families. That's according to your theory. Whatever makes you feel better. Now, back to your statement. Where is the proof that women will always leave for a better male? Let's remind you of your original statement: "Means a woman will cheat on you and/or leave you if she finds a better male. Hypergamy in short. If a woman is not cheating on you or doesn't leave you it means you are the best male she can have. In other words she doesn't have any better options."You can believe in what comforts you, but "fulfilled" or "unfulfilled" the woman WILL get bored eventually say after 5 years if not 1 year or 2 and WILL cheat on you. The same way than men do. Now if you are still her best option she won't leave you but will seek "excitement" elsewhere. If you believe that cheating doesn't happen in your "ideal" and "perfectly fulfilling" relationship even years after the honey moon phase has passed, then that's a fantasy you like to live in.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 19:15:35 GMT
Whatever makes you feel better. Now, back to your statement. Where is the proof that women will always leave for a better male? Let's remind you of your original statement: "Means a woman will cheat on you and/or leave you if she finds a better male. Hypergamy in short. If a woman is not cheating on you or doesn't leave you it means you are the best male she can have. In other words she doesn't have any better options."You can believe in what comforts you, but "fulfilled" or "unfulfilled" the woman WILL get bored eventually say after 5 years if not 1 year or 2 and WILL cheat on you. The same way than men do. Now if you are still her best option she won't leave you but will seek "excitement" elsewhere. If you believe that cheating doesn't happen in your "ideal" and "perfectly fulfilling" relationship even years after the honey moon phase has passed, then that's a fantasy you like to live in. Again...let's talk proof and not resort to accusations. Don't say what I believe or don't believe. Don't say what you believe or don't believe. Refer me to something that is academic in nature that says hypergamy is in the nature of all women. That's all I'm asking for. If you don't have anything, then that's fine. I can respect if that's your belief.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 19:31:14 GMT
You can believe in what comforts you, but "fulfilled" or "unfulfilled" the woman WILL get bored eventually say after 5 years if not 1 year or 2 and WILL cheat on you. The same way than men do. Now if you are still her best option she won't leave you but will seek "excitement" elsewhere. If you believe that cheating doesn't happen in your "ideal" and "perfectly fulfilling" relationship even years after the honey moon phase has passed, then that's a fantasy you like to live in. Again...let's talk proof and not resort to accusations. Don't say what I believe or don't believe. Don't say what you believe or don't believe. Refer me to something that is academic in nature that says hypergamy is in the nature of all women. That's all I'm asking for. If you don't have anything, then that's fine. I can respect if that's your belief. I will defend his right to be wrong and cling to being wrong till the day he dies. Nobody will rob him of that.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 19:52:41 GMT
You can believe in what comforts you, but "fulfilled" or "unfulfilled" the woman WILL get bored eventually say after 5 years if not 1 year or 2 and WILL cheat on you. The same way than men do. Now if you are still her best option she won't leave you but will seek "excitement" elsewhere. If you believe that cheating doesn't happen in your "ideal" and "perfectly fulfilling" relationship even years after the honey moon phase has passed, then that's a fantasy you like to live in. Again...let's talk proof and not resort to accusations. Don't say what I believe or don't believe. Don't say what you believe or don't believe. Refer me to something that is academic in nature that says hypergamy is in the nature of all women. That's all I'm asking for. If you don't have anything, then that's fine. I can respect if that's your belief. Have you referred me to anything academic? Or as you said before you're talking of experience? Your "academic proof" has been your and your friends' life story.
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