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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 20:17:52 GMT
Again...let's talk proof and not resort to accusations. Don't say what I believe or don't believe. Don't say what you believe or don't believe. Refer me to something that is academic in nature that says hypergamy is in the nature of all women. That's all I'm asking for. If you don't have anything, then that's fine. I can respect if that's your belief. Have you referred me to anything academic? Or as you said before you're talking of experience? Your "academic proof" has been your and your friends' life story. You were the first to make the unconditional hypergamy claim. But here's some academic proof for you: If you pay attention, when a woman leaves more often than a man, it's usually in a state of blame. When she is blaming the man for the unhappiness in the relationship, she is not in a relationship that can fulfill her needs. If she is not in a relationship that can fulfill her needs, then she is susceptible to cheating/leaving. None of the reasons here on the list is that she's found a better option. If the better option is a reason, it has only made it to the "Other Reason" category. This study was done at the Austin Institute. Your turn. Please list a source of a study on hypergamy.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 20:56:37 GMT
My proof is your own chart.
I look at all these reasons and remember "the reason" the girl gives to his boyfriend when she's dumping him for a new guy, who is better than him!
You must be blind or naive to not see it.
Some of these "reasons" are based on the classic "it's not you, it's me!"
If you're too naive or you take what women say as face value then we're done.
I have one question for you though. Don't answer me. But be honest with yourself and think about your answer to this question: When was the last time that a girl gave the real actual reason, that is, fucking somebody else, to his boyfriend when dumping him?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 21:10:29 GMT
My proof is your own chart. I look at all these reasons and remember "the reason" the girl gives to his boyfriend when she's dumping him for a new guy, who is better than him! You must be blind or naive to not see it. Some of these "reasons" are based on the classic "it's not you, it's me!" Let me see if I get what you are saying. If a woman leaves a guy, no matter the reason she gives, it is because there is a new guy that's better than him?
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 21:14:58 GMT
My proof is your own chart. I look at all these reasons and remember "the reason" the girl gives to his boyfriend when she's dumping him for a new guy, who is better than him! You must be blind or naive to not see it. Some of these "reasons" are based on the classic "it's not you, it's me!" If you're too naive or you take what women say as face value then we're done. I have one question for you though. Don't answer me. But be honest with yourself and think about your answer to this question: When was the last time that a girl gave the real actual reason, that is, fucking somebody else, to his boyfriend when dumping him? I see you added more to this. You are still boiling it down to the same thing. The woman only leaves a guy if there is a better guy.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 21:27:34 GMT
My proof is your own chart. I look at all these reasons and remember "the reason" the girl gives to his boyfriend when she's dumping him for a new guy, who is better than him! You must be blind or naive to not see it. Some of these "reasons" are based on the classic "it's not you, it's me!" If you're too naive or you take what women say as face value then we're done. I have one question for you though. Don't answer me. But be honest with yourself and think about your answer to this question: When was the last time that a girl gave the real actual reason, that is, fucking somebody else, to his boyfriend when dumping him? I see you added more to this. You are still boiling it down to the same thing. The woman only leaves a guy if there is a better guy. You and I might be on the same page. You call it "unfulfilment". I call it woman got bored. Starts fucking around. If she finds anything better she will leave. If not, will continue to cheat but stick around. And if she leaves or gets caught for cheating, she'll give one of the classic "reasons".
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 21:31:41 GMT
I see you added more to this. You are still boiling it down to the same thing. The woman only leaves a guy if there is a better guy. You call it "unfulfilment". I call it woman got bored. Starts fucking around. If she finds anything better she will leave. If not, will continue to cheat but stick around. And if she leaves or gets caught for cheating, she'll give one of the classic "reasons". Regardless of what it's called. No matter what reason she gave you, she was fucking around until she found better. That's what you're saying, right?
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 21:35:34 GMT
You call it "unfulfilment". I call it woman got bored. Starts fucking around. If she finds anything better she will leave. If not, will continue to cheat but stick around. And if she leaves or gets caught for cheating, she'll give one of the classic "reasons". Regardless of what it's called. No matter what reason she gave you, she was fucking around until she found better. That's what you're saying, right? In most cases, yes. Especially in non married couples since financial ties in married couples might make it impractical that is not worth it, as you yourself also acknowledged.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 21:50:06 GMT
Regardless of what it's called. No matter what reason she gave you, she was fucking around until she found better. That's what you're saying, right? In most cases, yes. Especially in non married couples since financial ties in married couples might make it impractical that is not worth it, as you yourself also acknowledged. So in order to understand the chart that I posted, I have to assume that chart is leaving out that key piece of information listed and what should be added to the end of reason is that "she was fucking around until she found someone better." Such as, he had alcohol and drug problems and she was fucking around until she found someone better. Or problems with the spouses family and she was fucking around until she found someone better. Another question. Have you come across any biological evidence of this or is the biological aspect also inferred knowledge?
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 22:00:59 GMT
In most cases, yes. Especially in non married couples since financial ties in married couples might make it impractical that is not worth it, as you yourself also acknowledged. So in order to understand the chart that I posted, I have to assume that chart is leaving out that key piece of information listed and what should be added to the end of reason is that "she was fucking around until she found someone better." Such as, he had alcohol and drug problems and she was fucking around until she found someone better. Or problems with the spouses family and she was fucking around until she found someone better. Another question. Have you come across any biological evidence of this or is the biological aspect also inferred knowledge? You trust the chart, which is basically what people say, too much. Like I said before if you take women's word as face value when dumping a guy, then we're done. The is no way you're gonna be convinced otherwise. That chart has no scientific value since it's basically a poll. On the other hand the biological evidence is overwhelming in the animal kingdom since animals do not lie and are not scared of being "slut shamed"
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 22:18:29 GMT
So in order to understand the chart that I posted, I have to assume that chart is leaving out that key piece of information listed and what should be added to the end of reason is that "she was fucking around until she found someone better." Such as, he had alcohol and drug problems and she was fucking around until she found someone better. Or problems with the spouses family and she was fucking around until she found someone better. Another question. Have you come across any biological evidence of this or is the biological aspect also inferred knowledge? You trust the chart, which is basically what people say, too much. Like I said before if you take women's word as face value when dumping a guy, then we're done. The is no way you're gonna be convinced otherwise. That chart has no scientific value since it's basically a poll. On the other hand the biological evidence is overwhelming in the animal kingdom since animals do not lie and are not scared of being "slut shamed" We were doing ok for these past few posts. Let's stay away from accusations. Instead of accusing me of trusting the chart too much, ask me if I trust the chart. Don't tell me what will or won't convince me. Instead ask me if I'm convinced. If I ask you a question, just answer it instead of pointing fingers. If you want to give a straight answer followed by your reasoning, that's fine with me. So, can I assume that you have only anecdotal and inferred evidence when it comes to the biological proof that unconditional hypergamy exists?
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 22:30:39 GMT
You trust the chart, which is basically what people say, too much. Like I said before if you take women's word as face value when dumping a guy, then we're done. The is no way you're gonna be convinced otherwise. That chart has no scientific value since it's basically a poll. On the other hand the biological evidence is overwhelming in the animal kingdom since animals do not lie and are not scared of being "slut shamed" We were doing ok for these past few posts. Let's stay away from accusations. Instead of accusing me of trusting the chart too much, ask me if I trust the chart. Don't tell me what will or won't convince me. Instead ask me if I'm convinced. If I ask you a question, just answer it instead of pointing fingers. If you want to give a straight answer followed by your reasoning, that's fine with me. So, can I assume that you have only anecdotal and inferred evidence when it comes to the biological proof that unconditional hypergamy exists? I trust the compelling evidence in most animals. As I said before, animals do not lie. They have no privacy, and therefore their mating behaviors can bee observed using the scientific method. Humans, however, have privacy and lie. Therefore making it much harder to observe their sexual life using the scientific method. When it comes to human sexual behavior, the observations can be somewhat accurate, such as the tendency of women to marry up and men marry down in the majority of the population. When analyzing cheating behaviors and break ups we can either apply the same principles observed, which are somewhat accurate or we can resort to polling, which is highly inaccurate and has no scientific value whatsoever.
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 22:40:15 GMT
We were doing ok for these past few posts. Let's stay away from accusations. Instead of accusing me of trusting the chart too much, ask me if I trust the chart. Don't tell me what will or won't convince me. Instead ask me if I'm convinced. If I ask you a question, just answer it instead of pointing fingers. If you want to give a straight answer followed by your reasoning, that's fine with me. So, can I assume that you have only anecdotal and inferred evidence when it comes to the biological proof that unconditional hypergamy exists? I trust the compelling evidence in most animals. As I said before, animals do not lie. They have no privacy, and therefore their mating behaviors can bee observed using the scientific method. Humans, however, have privacy and lie. Therefore making it much harder to observe their sexual life using the scientific method. When it comes to human sexual behavior, the observations can be somewhat accurate, such as the tendency of women to marry up and men marry down in the majority of the population. When analyzing cheating behaviors and break ups we can either apply the same principles observed, which are somewhat accurate or we can resort to polling, which is highly inaccurate and has no scientific value whatsoever. Humans also have the ability of forthought well into the future and a far more articulated and developed forebrain making your direct comparison to animals laughable.
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Post by JackZero on Oct 16, 2018 22:44:28 GMT
We were doing ok for these past few posts. Let's stay away from accusations. Instead of accusing me of trusting the chart too much, ask me if I trust the chart. Don't tell me what will or won't convince me. Instead ask me if I'm convinced. If I ask you a question, just answer it instead of pointing fingers. If you want to give a straight answer followed by your reasoning, that's fine with me. So, can I assume that you have only anecdotal and inferred evidence when it comes to the biological proof that unconditional hypergamy exists? I trust the compelling evidence in most animals. As I said before, animals do not lie. They have no privacy, and therefore their mating behaviors can bee observed using the scientific method. Humans, however, have privacy and lie. Therefore making it much harder to observe their sexual life using the scientific method. When it comes to human sexual behavior, the observations can be somewhat accurate, such as the tendency of women to marry up and men marry down in the majority of the population. When analyzing cheating behaviors and break ups we can either apply the same principles observed, which are somewhat accurate or we can resort to polling, which is highly inaccurate and has no scientific value whatsoever. I don't want to put my own answer to yours. So I am going to verify and ask if you are saying that the evidence that you trust is anecdotal and inferred? You don't have any direct knowledge outside of women marrying up and animals aren't monogamous?
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Post by N2thevoid on Oct 16, 2018 22:50:45 GMT
I trust the compelling evidence in most animals. As I said before, animals do not lie. They have no privacy, and therefore their mating behaviors can bee observed using the scientific method. Humans, however, have privacy and lie. Therefore making it much harder to observe their sexual life using the scientific method. When it comes to human sexual behavior, the observations can be somewhat accurate, such as the tendency of women to marry up and men marry down in the majority of the population. When analyzing cheating behaviors and break ups we can either apply the same principles observed, which are somewhat accurate or we can resort to polling, which is highly inaccurate and has no scientific value whatsoever. I don't want to put my own answer to yours. So I am going to verify and ask if you are saying that the evidence that you trust is anecdotal and inferred? You don't have any direct knowledge outside of women marrying up and animals aren't monogamous? He feels it’s true hence it must be.
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Post by Prince on Oct 16, 2018 22:58:04 GMT
I trust the compelling evidence in most animals. As I said before, animals do not lie. They have no privacy, and therefore their mating behaviors can bee observed using the scientific method. Humans, however, have privacy and lie. Therefore making it much harder to observe their sexual life using the scientific method. When it comes to human sexual behavior, the observations can be somewhat accurate, such as the tendency of women to marry up and men marry down in the majority of the population. When analyzing cheating behaviors and break ups we can either apply the same principles observed, which are somewhat accurate or we can resort to polling, which is highly inaccurate and has no scientific value whatsoever. I don't want to put my own answer to yours. So I am going to verify and ask if you are saying that the evidence that you trust is anecdotal and inferred? You don't have any direct knowledge outside of women marrying up and animals aren't monogamous? What do you mean by anecdotal? There's scientific evidence for everything I said. Also, I don't want to accuse you of anything so let me ask you two questions. 1. Does your belief come from polling and your own and your friends' experiences? 2. When a woman dumps her boyfriend, is the next boyfriend more likely to be better (higher) or worse (lower) than the ex boyfriend?
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